The Last Homely House
Middle-Earth => Bag End => Topic started by: sharkey on December 07, 2009, 08:48:42 PM
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Okay, what is the toughest companion you can get, with an empty hand and only himself and the ringbearer in the fellowship? Post strength, vitality, and damage bonuses.
I think this goes to Durin III at Fords of Isen with:
Heavy Axe, +5
Belt of Erebor, + 2
Horn of Helm, +2
Book of Mazarbul, +2
Hand Axe, +3
Ring of Artifice with 19 artifacts in the discard pile, Damage +1 and Strength +18
Dwarven Bracer, +3
Still Twitching x4, +12
Endurance of Dwarves x4, +4, Vitality +4
Proud and Able, Damage + 9
Arod, +2
Elven Cloak, +2
Elven Brooch, +2
Every Possible Follower +22
Dwarven Embassy x4, Damage +4
Lord of Moria x4, Damage +4
Final Count: Strength 90, Damage plus 18, Vitality 8
Oops, did I just overwhelmyour balrog? Sorry about that. Didn't even realize he was there :)
For fun IRL, add events, Legolas, EC, and/or Gandalf, LotC and other token based conditions. Anything I'm missing?
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you can have 4x still twitching for a total of +12, bumps your str up to 43.
There was a way to get uri up to something like 120, but it involves exhausting him so would be only a 1 turn thing.
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that was actually uri where you made him damage + like 15 and vitality 10
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Cool! My friend uses that strategy. I think it involves Honed.
Here's my second best:
Theoden at Fords of Bruinen with:
Horse of Rohan +1
Herugrim +3, Vitality +1
Rohirrim Javelin, +2
Hearken to me +3, Vitality +1
Coif +1, Vitality +1
Rohirrim Helm +1,
Erkenbrand's Shield, +1
Brought Down From Inside, +12
31, Vitality 6, Damage +1
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Eomer at Fords of Bruinen with:
Horse of Rohan +3
Rohirrim Sword +3,
Rohirrim Javelin, +2
Brought Down From Inside x4, +12
Coif +1, Vitality +1
Rohirrim Helm +1,
Erkenbrand's Shield, +1
30, Vitality 4 (There is a weapon that make bearer damage +1 while mounted, I just can't find it.)
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Merry, From O'er the Brandywine
Hobbit Sword
All possible copies of permanent [Shire] cards
So Fair, So Desperate
I win
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I said without a hand, so no events. But that is a good one!
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I would think that the Tales Pippin would be a better choice than Merry, From O'er the Brandywine!
-wtk
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Oops, did I just overwhelmyour balrog? Sorry about that. Didn't even realize he was there :)
Meanwhile, back at the Justice League Headquarters, Frodo is caught fighting 17 [Moria] Orcs. Oops! Did I just overwhelm your strength 4 Ring-Bearer? Didn't even realize he was there!
-wtk
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Strange Format for Durin - in your case, you should decide to take elvencards as elven brooch and elven cloak too. What about Arod?
Choose to transfer Pallando, Uruviel, Woodhall Elf, Stable Masters....
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Well, I don't actually want to go through the entire process to figure out just how huge you could make your Frodo, but I'll go ahead and list some of the cards involved. (Also, I'm assuming all cards are fair game, as you didn't specify a format.)
Oh, and... this wouldn't be a permanent strength boost for my companion, just a temporary thing. So, maybe this doesn't count at all and you should just stop reading now. =P
For my Ring-bearer, I'd go with Frodo, Weary from the Journey with the Ring of Doom. I'm assuming he's skirmishing a non-Hunter minion of strength 8 or less. =P
His partner in crime will be Merry, Friend to Sam.
Merry will have Escape, Frodo Gamgee, and Little Golden Flower for +vitality. There will be 4 Everyone Knows in play. We'll also have Southfarthing Leaf and every bit of pipeweed you can imagine.
And, of course, There and Back Again and 4 Long Live the Halflings/Don't Let Go.
The big thing is the 4 Shire Countrysides and the Frodo's Cloak. This allows you to heal Merry 4 times, getting two extra sets of exertions out of him.
Basically, use a bunch of crap to boost Merry as high as you can (heck, even toss in some Goldberry exertions!), then exert him to add his strength to Frodo multiple times. You should be able to add his strength 8 times just with the cards I listed, and I imagine there are even more permanents that will allow you to heal him or remove a burden during the skirmish phase. Oh, and don't forget 4 copies of Sudden Fury, assuming they call came into play at site 1 and there were ridiculous amounts of skirmishes being fought at each site (even "extra" fierce skirmishes, like with Return to its Master and/or The Witch-king's Beast). Use all of this stuff to pump Merry, then multiply that by 8 and add it to Frodo. =P
But, once again, that's not a PERMANENTLY large companion, like Durin in the opening example.
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Yeah, but Alazzar, you have serious issues :-p. You need an ent, so you can at least add Ent draught to the party. But!....there is a but. If you exert Merry, he will lose some vitality and thus lose strength from Everyone Knows....:twisted: But other than that...cool :-) Boromir, Son of Denethor is good too, maybe Gandalf with Strength of Spirit so you would be able to not exert the comps....
Well, this could be a topic on it self....what would be a 'realistic' strenght Frodo could have in open format :-)
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I never mentioned Ent Draught! And even so, couldn't we assume that an Ent was in play earlier? Or, at the very least, we could use one of the ally-versions of Treebeard. =P
And, yes, exerting will cause Merry to lose SOME of the strength from Everyone Knows, but not all of it. The fact of the matter is, you can still make him huge, and then you get to multiply his strength by EIGHT and add it to the ring-bearer's. =P
Boromir SoD would work if we were allowed to have three companions, but the scenario was proposed as just a ring-bearer and a companion. And Strength of Spirit wouldn't work because we were told that we have no cards in hand!
But, yeah... Merry can provide huge boosts. I actually have a screenshot that someone sent me from the LotR Online game long time ago where Pippin has something like 400+ strength. That in itself is awesome, but the even better part was the opponent's reaction in the chat log:
"wait what"
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a 400+ str Pippin, that would be something I want to see :-).
This is a great deck that kinda works with the principle:
http://decktech.net/lotr/decks/decks.php?deck=28951
I love it
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Oops, did I just overwhelmyour balrog? Sorry about that. Didn't even realize he was there :)
Meanwhile, back at the Justice League Headquarters, Frodo is caught fighting 17 [Moria] Orcs. Oops! Did I just overwhelm your strength 4 Ring-Bearer? Didn't even realize he was there!
-wtk
Pff, Whatever. Frodo is overrated anyway.
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I did make a strength 140 Gothmog... but he was against a strength 120 Pippin. One wound for all that effort.
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hmm here's my entry
Gimli, BoG with
Any ring and Throin's harp
Uri, Dwarven lord with
Ring of retribution
4x Endurance of the Dwarves
4x still twitching
Arod, rohirrim steed
book of mazarbul
armor of khazad
gimli's battle axe, trusted weapon
belt of erebor
dwarven bracers
hand axe
and in the support area
Lord of moria x4
Aggression x4
Mountain homestead x4
proud and able
Dwarven Embassy x4
with 2 threats and initiative, exert gimli to make it a mountain so uri is strength 27, vitality 9, damage +20, exert him 8 times so he is strength 187, vitality 1, damage +20.
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with 2 threats and initiative, exert gimli to make it a mountain so uri is strength 27, vitality 9, damage +20, exert him 8 times so he is strength 187, vitality 1, damage +20.
Cool. Then my Orc Scouting Band exerts.
-wtk
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I believe I saw a Bracer in that huge pile of gear.
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Fine then play balrog with Final Cry and his whip!
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with 2 threats and initiative...
You can't have initiative in this scenario -- remember, we're supposed to have no cards in hand. =P
(Unless there's some way to get initiative for the Free Peoples player without having any cards in hand.)
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with 2 threats and initiative, exert gimli to make it a mountain so uri is strength 27, vitality 9, damage +20, exert him 8 times so he is strength 187, vitality 1, damage +20.
Cool. Then my Orc Scouting Band exerts.
-wtk
and then i say why on earth would i bother to start pumping myself in the first place?
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Fine then. Mordor's Strength and...Siege Troop.
-wtk
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yeah...cool debate..oh and totally pointless by the way. I'd say, let's build decks in which we strive to make the strongest comps and than take a screenshot, show it around!
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yeah...cool debate..oh and totally pointless by the way. I'd say, let's build decks in which we strive to make the strongest comps and than take a screenshot, show it around!
I'd rather make a deck that consistently wins than have one companion who is more badass than Sauron.
-wtk
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yeah...cool debate..oh and totally pointless by the way. I'd say, let's build decks in which we strive to make the strongest comps and than take a screenshot, show it around!
I'd rather make a deck that consistently wins than have one companion who is more badass than Sauron.
-wtk
i second that :gp:
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You know what else is more badass than Sauron? Fourth Level and a Gondor Bow. Or Fourth Level and Citadel of the Stars.
Or two Slaked Thirsts and a card stacked on Preparations.
-wtk
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Well sometimes I'm pretty straight forward and I will pick beating Sauron by strength over sneaky tricks any day :lol: Especially smaller characters, growing extremely large is awesome. I have a pesky little hobbit deck, with the Tale Pippin, that can grow to 24 strength max in my deck, which is great.
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I'd rather make a deck that consistently wins than have one companion who is more badass than Sauron.
-wtk
I'd rather have both... and do!
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You know what else is more badass than Sauron? Fourth Level and a Gondor Bow. Or Fourth Level and Citadel of the Stars.
Or two Slaked Thirsts and a card stacked on Preparations.
-wtk
lol, reminds me of the fun I used to have with Mablung, SoG in my Ring-bound Rangers deck.
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I think this goes to Durin III at Fords of Isen with:
Heavy Axe, +5
Belt of Erebor, + 2
Horn of Helm, +2
Book of Mazarbul, +2
Hand Axe, +3
Ring of Artifice with 19 artifacts in the discard pile, Damage +1 and Strength +18
Dwarven Bracer, +3
Still Twitching x4, +12
Endurance of Dwarves x4, +4, Vitality +4
Proud and Able, Damage + 9
Arod, +2
Elven Cloak, +2
Elven Brooch, +2
Every Possible Follower +22
Dwarven Embassy x4, Damage +4
Lord of Moria x4, Damage +4
Final Count: Strength 90, Damage plus 18, Vitality 8
More cards for Fords of Isen:
Black Breath x4, +4
Black Dart x4, +4
Blade Tip, +1
Cleaved x4, +4
Desperate Defense of the Ring x4, +4
Dwarven Heart x4, +4
Ent Draught, +1
Grieving the Fallen x4, +4
Harmless, +1
Lathspell x4, +4 (while not skirmishing a [man] minion)
Lingering Shadow x4, +4
Lost in the Woods, +1
Pursuing Horde, +1
Reckless Pride, +1
Rest While You Can, +1
Sauron's Gaze x4, +4
Sense of Obligation, +1
Too Late x4, +4
Treacherous Little Toad x4, +4
Weary, +1
Whisper in the Dark x4, +4 (on his many followers)
Wielding the Ring x4, +4
You Bring Great Evil x4, +4
Total strength bonus: +65
Yes, he's probably going to die with !Black Breath/Dart, 4 Dwarven Hearts, & !Blade Tip, the 4 Too Lates will cost 16 twilight/turn for Dwarven Heart alone, and assigning him to a skirmish will be a big hassle because of DDotR (discard 6 cards and add 2 burdens), but, hey, he sure is big now! He's also bearing 6 cards less than two full starter decks. :)
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Sam,
You have way too much time (and clearly no desire to date girls). :gp: for your efforts, but go pine over a bartender!
-wtk
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Thanks, ket. I also calculated that you can actually have 28 followers, not 22 (since 2 of the followers are non-unique, for a total strength bonus of 47 (28 for Fords of Isen + 19 for the followers' texts) + 1 for each fierce minion (due to Hobbiton Farmer, LoP).
Theoretically, if every possible minion was in play except The Watcher in the Water (which would require hundreds of shadow players and lots of fiddling with cards like Shoulder to Shoulder) and a companion died in the non-fierce skirmish phase (leaving you with just Durin III and the Ring-bearer) triggering Legions of Morgul, you could have 2374 fierce minions, putting Durin III's strength at 2554. Theoretically, Uri could be even stronger since Durin III's ability only nets him 10, where as Uri's could net him 138 (144 for his ability, -4 for losing the 4 vit -1 conditions, -2 for base strength), placing him at 2682 strength, not counting tokens and the like. Of course, the Ring-bearer would be annihilated facing over 2500 minions.
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Assuming the Ring-bearer was Frodo and had Mithril-coat, Dwarf-Mail on, then he could use The Tale of the Great Ring, again assuming no events, to allow the 2554 strength Durin III to overwhelm a single minion of your choice.
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Though if Frodo had Mithril-coat, Dwarf-Mail and The Tale of the Great Ring, the Shadow players might want to assign at least 10000 strength worth of minions to Durin III to make sure he died (there's still be plenty left over for Frodo).
By the way, a 2554-strength Durin III would be able to overwhelm the combined forces of Sauron, The Balrog, The Mouth of Sauron, Saruman, Grima, !Ted Sandyman, Gollum, Shelob, !Castamir of Umbar, !Freca, !Wulf, Lurtz, Ugluk, Sharku, Mauhur, Grishnakh, Gothmog, Shagrat, Gorbag, Bill Ferny, !Easterling Host, all nine Nazgul plus the four Black Riders, and every Troll in the game (except Gate Troll, who'd be over 400 strength). If you didn't see The Balrog, maybe it's because it was too crowded. :)
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Durin III: Here at the Fords of Isen, I'm especially glad I'm carrying all this stuff.
Sauron: Ha! You will never defeat the massive elite squad I'm sending against you, including all 13 Nazgul!
Durin III: Uh oh...wait, 13 Nazgul?
Hobbiton Farmer: *puffing on some pipeweed" Hey, Durin, look at all those fierce minions out there! See them out there, looking so smug? Just what gives them the right to attack twice in one site?
Durin III: Nothing!
Hobbiton Farmer: I said, what gives them the right to attack twice in one site?
Durin III: Absolutely...NOTHING!!! YAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! *obliterates all his attackers*
Meanwhile...
Random other minion: Give it up, Ring-bearer, you're outnumbered 2488 to 1!
Frodo: Oh, yeah, well I just finished reading a tale about how I destroyed the Ring!
Minion: But you haven't destroyed the Ring yet.
Frodo: So what, it's still a great tale. Gonna do anything about it?
Minon: *checks his hand* Uh...no. But we still have our hundreds of damage bonuses! YAHH!
Frodo: Oof...I think you wounded me there.
Minion: Wait! How did you survive?
Frodo: Mythril. Sure is some tough stuff, isn't it?
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What a great dialog! I laughed quite a bit. :up: :gp:
Let the other companion who died be Boromir, Defender of Minas Tirith. He provides the twilight you need to play all of the minions.
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uh, hate to kill your theoretical situation, but wouldn't it be impossible for the shadow player to draw 10,000+ minions in one shadow phase?
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There could be 10,000 shadow players...
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And you could move 10000 times!
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(which would require hundreds of shadow players...