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Middle-Earth => Archives of Minas Tirith => Topic started by: Marcoliboar on January 21, 2010, 03:04:27 AM
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A question about Saved From the Fire and the rule of 4.
Rule of 4 says that you can not draw more that 4 cards in your fellowship phase, dose this applay to Saved From The Fire?
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The Rule of 4 states that you cannot take into hand from your draw deck more than 4 cards during your fellowship phase. SFtF tells you to place a companion in the dead pile to take into hand 3 cards of that companions culture.
So, yes, the Ro4 does apply to SFtF.
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By the way the rule of 4 does not apply to start of the turn actions. So if you've got Gandalf the grey pilgrim, you take at the start of turn a card in hand from your draw dek and then in your fellowship you can still take 4 cards into hand from your draw deck.
What I'm not sure of is if the rule of 4 apply on Faramir, Defender of Osgiliath. It should not, because you play them, you take them not in hand.
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Concur, it does apply to Saved From the Fire.
Does NOT apply to the likes of Faramir, Defender of Osgiliath.
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Concur, it does apply to Saved From the Fire.
Does NOT apply to the likes of Faramir, Defender of Osgiliath.
Then same for:
A wizard is never late:
Game Text: Fellowship: Play a [GANDALF] character from your draw deck.
Eomer, Keeper of Oaths:
Game Text: Valiant. When you play Eomer (except in your starting fellowship), you may reveal the top 10 cards of your draw deck. You may play each [ROHAN] possession revealed. Shuffle your draw deck.
And if you use a SFTF to burn a:
Theoden, Tall and Proud:
Game Text: Valiant. While you can spot a [ROHAN] Man, Theoden’s twilight cost is -1. When Theoden is killed, you may play a [ROHAN] companion from your discard pile or draw deck.
You then may play a companion from your draw deck which will not fall under the rule of 4.
Further exception:
Merry, Horticulturalist
Practically Everyone Was Invited
Community Living
Last Days of My House
Gandalf, Returned
Boromir, Proud and Noble Man
You concur?
Simbelmyne
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tnx for the reply!
so Simbelmyne is also an exception :)
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tnx for the reply!
so Simbelmyne is also an exception :)
According to me it is, because you play them directly from your drawdeck, you don't take them in hand.. But check what Kralik has to say about it.
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yes any card that specifies playing a card from your draw deck as opposed to taking it into hand does not count against the rule of 4 i.e Saved from the fire counts against the rule of four while Simbelmyne does not.
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You can use multiple Saved From the Fire in a turn...alas, the second copy would only allow you to take one card into hand.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
-wtk
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Actually you could do the following in a gandalf/rohan deck.
Start with Gandalf, LOM, and a rohan comp with 2 cost. First turn (if SFTF is in hand) burn down Gandalf and get send back, Gandalf TGP and a sftf. Then in 2nd turn burn the rohan comp and get 3x Simbelmyne. So in the first 2 turns you can get out at least 10 cards extra with at least 9 fellowship from your drawdeck. Which is great because you will have filter your deck fast. And if you use a simbelyne (use the other 2 to get 2 companions first) to play Eomer, koo then you'll have extra chance to get out fellowshipcards. Actually quite nice... now I think of it. I feel a deck comming up...
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In my foil Saved From the Fire deck I burn Elite Rider for Eowyn, Lady of Rohan (valiant) and two Simbelmyne.
-wtk
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In my foil Saved From the Fire deck I burn Elite Rider for Eowyn, Lady of Rohan (valiant) and two Simbelmyne.
-wtk
But why not 3x simbelmyne and then get Eowyn, lor with it?
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You need to spot a valiant man to play Simbelmyne. If I draw Eowyn or another valiant companion with my opening draw, then you can bet I'm going to pull three Simbelmyne with Saved From the Fire.
-wtk
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You need to spot a valiant man to play Simbelmyne. If I draw Eowyn or another valiant companion with my opening draw, then you can bet I'm going to pull three Simbelmyne with Saved From the Fire.
-wtk
Forgot that one! you're right!
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I dig all this Saved from the Fire business to filter out a lot of cards turn one.
I remember the days of "filtering" the Freeps, e.g. "Bad Beef", but also when Sauron Swarm was getting big. I think for Sauron Swarm I started Eowyn, Merry, Horticulturalist, Pippen, Smeagol. Plus 4 A Wizard is Never Late, 4 Symblemyne, standard Eomer TMotR with Gear, Gandalf and Allies, including Barliman Butterbur to replay AWiNL, etc. Basically trying to filter enough Freeps early game to saturate the deck with Shadow. Now I want to go into the deck builder and try to maximize that...
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uhh the horn deck is the best filter in the game
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uhh the horn deck is the best filter in the game
but not in the old movieblock days ;)