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June 27, 2008, 10:46:41 AM
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Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
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Back when I first started playing LotR, just after RotEL came out, none of my friends played [Sauron]. In fact, they didn't see much use for the culture in general. It happened to be my favorite, and I bought a few [Sauron] card lots off of eBay for $20-$50 and got started making some decks. Unfortunately, [Sauron] is very rare intensive and I was the one who had the money those days. :P I have two favorite [Sauron] deck designs: one that revolves around discard/corruption and another that focuses on wounding. This is the first, very close to the deck I used to play six years ago.

The main purpose of this deck is to make your opponent want to pull their hair out run out of cards and hate you for the rest of eternity be unable to play much of anything. Once your opponent is irritated beyond belief has no draw deck, you can run to site 9 in safety.

Ring and Bearer:
Frodo, Reluctant Adventurer
The One Ring, Isildur's Bane

Adventure Deck:
[1]   The Prancing Pony*
[2]   Trollshaw Forest*
[3]   Rivendell Waterfall
[4]   Eregion Hills
[5]   The Bridge of Khazad-dum*
[6]   Valley of the Silverlode*
[7]   The Great River
[8]   Gates of Argonath
[9]   Tol Brandir

Free Peoples (35 cards):
1x   Arwen, Daughter Of Elrond (starting)
1x   Legolas, Son of Thranduil (starting)
1x   Aragorn, King in Exile
3x   Haldir, Elf Of The Golden Wood

3x   Elrond, Herald to Gil-galad

1x   Gwemegil
1x   Long-knives of Legolas
1x   Ranger's Sword
2x   Aragorn's Bow
1x   Bow of the Galadhrim
3x   Elven Bow**

2x   Gift of Boats
2x   Songs of the Blessed Realm
1x   The Choice of Luthien
1x   The Last Alliance of Elves and Men
3x   The White Arrows of Lorien

2x   Hobbit Stealth
2x   Might of Numenor
2x   Secret Sentinels
2x   The Council of Elrond

Shadow (35 cards):
3x   Morgul Hunter
4x   Orc Ambusher
4x   Orc Inquisitor
4x   Orc Warrior
2x   Tower Assassin

3x   Desperate Defense of the Ring
3x   His Cruelty and Malice
2x   Thin and Stretched
3x   Tower of Barad-dur

3x   Desperate Measures
2x   Enduring Evil
2x   Shadow's Reach

General Strategy:
Bid 2 and hope to start with The Prancing Pony. If you opponent bids 2 and wins the toss or bids 3... ouch! It's hard to go without Aragorn, but those burdens should help you later. I think the risk is worth it, but consider running 2x each of Aragorn and Haldir.* Get the White Arrows of Lorien out and start trashing your opponent's hand. For Shadow, add burdens if possible but focus on discard. Once you get to site 6, run to nine with the Gift of Boats. MAKE SURE you cycle your hand as much as possible and you have very good chances of getting it in time. Be careful against choke!

*Or perhaps tweak below.

Free People's Specific Strategy (Trash your opponent's hand):
  • THE WHITE ARROWS OF LORIEN - Put it on Legolas or Arwen, but it's nice to have one on all three elves. This is the essence of your Freeps deck, so keep your companions healed and use it well! Always trash your opponent's hand if it is safe (you can spare the vitality), and keep in mind that they will not have any Skirmish events to use against you. Use Might of Numenor to keep wounds down and beware Relentless Charge!
  • Companions - All except Haldir have the Aragorn signet for optimum healing. You'll want to use this mainly on Legolas and Arwen to keep TWAoL running. Haldir is a stock Elf; Arwen is nice against Nazzies; Legolas gives an archery boost for most sites. Once your opponent realizes what you are up to, they are likely to double ahead, so you get to play your forests and rivers.
  • Allies - Elrond is vital for healing, Gift of Boats and Secret Sentinels. Be careful not to overexert him if it seems like your opponent may be able to kill him. Between Elrond and Aragorn's healings alone, you should be able to use TWAoL twice a turn!
  • Possessions - Pretty self-explanatory.
  • Archery - You have the potential for a base archery total of 5. Very nice.
  • Gift of Boats - You probably won't win without it. If you get it only early, do not play it lest it get discarded (unless your opponent is running discard as well and trashing your hand ;)).
  • Songs of the Blessed Realm - Helps drop your initial 3-4 burdens.
  • The Choice of Luthien - Use it to keep Arwen healed if she has TWAoL, or to spread wounds around before using Might of Numenor.
  • The Council of Elrond - Makes you essentially have 5 TWAoL! Use it also to grab TLAoEaM or TCoL.
  • Hobbit Stealth - Get out of Balrog free card.

Shadow Specific Strategy (Trash your opponent's draw deck):
  • Culture - [Sauron] is tricky because of high roaming costs. Be prepared to discard minions that you can't play to keep your hand cycling. Be aware that almost all of the conditions require exertions to play.
  • Morgul Hunter - Great gametext, even better vitality. He's a keeper.
  • Orc Ambusher - Why four? This is your cheapest minion, and at 3 twilight when roaming (most of the game), he will help you get your conditions out.
  • Orc Inquisitor - This will especially annoy them after losing cards to Tower of Barad-dur.
  • Orc Warrior - How can you beat this guy's manuever discarding? If your orcs are not making it to skirmish, discard your conditions left and right.
  • Tower Assassin - In case your opponent randomly decided to run Old Noakes, kill him. He's the biggest threat to a shadow discard deck other than Frodo, Courteous Halfling (which fortunately is in Towers block, so no worries there!) Of course, killing allies can come in handy in other circumstances.
  • Desperate Defense of the Ring - What a painful choice! If fighting a skirmish-oriented deck, put this card on their best fighters. Know also that Old Noakes does not apply on this card if the Freeps player chooses to discard 3.
  • His Cruelty and Malice - The only condition with no spotting requirement. Play it whenever you have spare twilight. If yours minions survive with extra vitality to use it, great! Otherwise, discard it with Orc Warrior.
  • Thin and Stretched - Once you have this out with DDotR, it's burden if he fights, burden if he doesn't. And if they assign someone like a Orc Ambusher to Frodo, that just might be game with Enduring Evil... :twisted:
  • Tower of Barad-dur - So tempting to pack four of these... after playing their best Freeps cards, your opponent will generally have to discard their shadow.
  • Desperate Measures - Awesome. While you may not corrupt the Ringbearer, burdens are so useful for both this card and Enduring Evil.
  • Enduring Evil - Unexpected overwhelm, anyone?
  • Shadow's Reach - Use it if you need it, otherwise save your exertions for playing conditions.

The Shadow side is flexible and it is possible for you to accomplish your objectives without having any minions make it to a single skirmish. On the other hand, if they do and you can take advantage of TaS and DDotR, more power to you!
« Last Edit: June 27, 2008, 11:39:51 AM by Kralik »

June 27, 2008, 10:59:17 AM
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Re: Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 10:59:17 AM »
As Kralik indicated, this deck made me hateful, irritated, and bald last night. :'( I started doubling from Site 3 on once I realized what he was up to, but my deck was gone by Site 6 and my hand was empty by Site 7. I made it to 8 with all companions intact, but he breezed by me at the end with Gift of Boats while I could do nothing but watch, having absolutely NOTHING left to throw at him. Heck, after the first sanctuary, I think I managed to play only half a dozen Shadow cards the rest of the game. I simply couldn't maintain a functional hand. This deck is BRUTAL.
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June 27, 2008, 11:00:43 AM
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Re: Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 11:00:43 AM »
As Kralik indicated, this deck made me hateful, irritated, and bald last night.

And for a Dwarf to pluck out his beard... ouch!

June 27, 2008, 11:38:35 AM
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Re: Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 11:38:35 AM »
A tweak that I think would work better:

-1 Haldir, EotGW
-1 Elven Bow**
+1 Aragorn, KiE
+1 Might of Numenor

May 28, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
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Re: Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 01:23:56 PM »
I tried a deck similar to this.  It was a blast!  My gaming buddy hates it, thus, I love IT!
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May 28, 2009, 02:11:28 PM
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Re: Cruel Discard with Elven Archery and Sauron Corruption
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 02:11:28 PM »
I tried a deck similar to this.  It was a blast!  My gaming buddy hates it, thus, I love IT!

It's also worth using Durin's Secret as Gift of Boats has fallen through on me at times. Then you can play Nobody Tosses a Dwarf as well. :up:

Discard is only fun for one party, though...

May 28, 2009, 05:50:15 PM
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 05:50:15 PM »
I like this deck, nice!

May 29, 2009, 03:17:07 PM
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 03:17:07 PM »
I always thought that [Sauron] FotR decks were the best, but unfortunately, I had neither the money(for online cards) or the brains(bought only starter decks pretty much, at least at the beginning) for [Sauron].
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One Ring to find them.
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May 31, 2009, 07:32:17 PM
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2009, 07:32:17 PM »
I tried a discard deck in a multiplayer game... it didn't work too well.  Needless to say, i lost.
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May 31, 2009, 07:56:41 PM
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2009, 07:56:41 PM »
I tried a discard deck in a multiplayer game... it didn't work too well.  Needless to say, i lost.
Discard deck are not gonna work in multiplayer, it's just working in single player.

June 01, 2009, 06:13:17 AM
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 06:13:17 AM »
Most strategies are duel-oriented, meaning, you should be facing off against a single opponent. Multiplayer decks should be built differently, with a total new approach, otherwise multiplayer games tend to go pretty much the same way, with the players with overlapping shadow sides tearing everyone apart, and someone sprinting for the win after the others have lost most of their gas killing the players leading the race.

June 02, 2009, 05:01:56 PM
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 05:01:56 PM »
I learned that the hard way too.  I usually lead till about site 5.  Then the wolves descend.
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June 02, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 05:33:30 PM »
The Old Took tried this back in the day, but thankfully he only owned a quarter of the cards necessary.  I thank my lucky Maia for that.

a little off topic, but, do we have a thread to explain building for and playing in multiplayer battles?  I would greatly appreciate learning more about strategy with 3 players
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June 03, 2009, 07:33:16 AM
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2009, 07:33:16 AM »
Well, Clockwork started such a topic, go to lothlorien, scroll down past the decksections and there you have it.
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June 03, 2009, 03:45:30 PM
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 03:45:30 PM »
THe dekc was brutal, but it loses IMHO to uruks and more specific... sarumans power. Also the shadow cannot do much vs a few well-timed sleeps. Too bad trust/uruk was prevalent in the end of fellowship.