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« on: February 05, 2009, 09:44:34 PM »

What is the worst Gandalf?  Faramir?  Eomer?  Pippin?  etc.

Like Aragorn, Guide and Protector is probably the worst Aragorn in my opinion.  If he didn't have to be skirmishing a minion he would be awesome. 
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 03:42:39 AM »

I could think of a deck with Imrahil and fortifications which would make this Aragorn viable to play. Not the best aragorn, maybe I dislike Swift Hunter more.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 07:02:42 AM »

 Guide and Protector is good in an Anorian deck. I strongly dislike Pippin, Mr. Took.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 07:30:23 AM »

I would have to say Sam, Faithful Companion.
If movie character includes shadow too, I nomminate Gollum, Nasty Treacherous Creature.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 07:58:38 AM »

What is the worst Gandalf?  Faramir?  Eomer?  Pippin?  etc.

Like Aragorn, Guide and Protector is probably the worst Aragorn in my opinion.  If he didn't have to be skirmishing a minion he would be awesome. 
I think Guide and Protector is awesome and clearly doesn't compare to the carp that is Aragorn, Heir of Elendil! Sick Umm... Aragorn, Ranger of the North? Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 08:34:42 AM »

RotN should be automatically disqualified, on account of having been used in so many high-level tournament decks (and not for the lack of any Aragorn). Although he might be past his prime, now that cultures have closed ranks and Thorongil is running around, but still... taking on four minions at once is nothing to sneeze at. Wink

Aragorn, Swift Hunter
Arwen, Evenstar of Her People
Boromir - N/A
Denethor, Steward of the City
Eomer, Sister-son of Theoden
Eowyn, Lady of the Mark
Frodo, Wicked Masster!
Faramir, Stout Captain
Gandalf, The Grey Wizard
Gimli, Faithful Companion
Legolas, Companion of the Ring
Merry, Noble Warrior
Pippin, Guard of Minas Tirith
Sam, Faithful Companion
Theoden, Son of Thengel
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 08:47:49 AM »

Aragorn, RotN as worst movie character?  Think Shame on you! Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect was that serious??

Does anybody here play since LOTR Fellowship of the Ring besides me?
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 08:49:34 AM »

No, we were all saying how amazing he was and how he rendered most other Aragorn's useless!

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 08:52:32 AM »

erm, ok, seems like ES interpreted ur post the same as me Smiley that's y I asked.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 09:01:48 AM »

Aragorn, Swift Hunter Definitely agree with you here.  
Arwen, Evenstar of Her People I have to agree here too.
Boromir - N/A Maybe Boromir LoG?
Denethor, Steward of the City No way man! SotC is a cheap tank if used correctly. See Denethor's Sword.
Eomer, Sister-son of Theoden Compared to the newer strategies yeah, but back in its day Rohan allies could kick some butt.
Eowyn, Lady of the Mark Dittos here. Completely worthless, way to specific.
Frodo, Wicked Masster! Possibly the most worst card ever. Four freaking burdens for one wound and way, way to specific. And then the fact that its a rare...  Roll Eyes
Faramir, Stout Captain Yeah, not a real crappy card, just not good specific enough. Bad combination.
Gandalf, The Grey Wizard He's actually not to bad in a choke, and remember, this is fellowship block.
Gimli, Faithful Companion Meh. Completely overshadowed by the other versions  of Gimli.  Neutral
Legolas, Companion of the Ring Meh again. Fighting Legolas is a questionable strategy at best. Sick
Merry, Noble Warrior Dude! Possibly the best Merry ever! 5/4 and an absolute a@@-kicker in the right Rohan deck!  Tongue
Pippin, Guard of Minas Tirith Perhaps not the best Pippin ever, I prefer WoBaS, but still good in the right deck.
Sam, Faithful Companion Yeah, completely worthless in movie block since the movie block Bill got X-ed and mediocre in expanded.
Theoden, Son of Thengel Yeah, no arguements there.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 09:30:10 AM »

I love denethor steward of the city!
and surely some other pippin is worse. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 09:37:50 AM »


Duuuuude...  Shocked u gotta be kidding me! Doh!

That Boromir R.O.C.K.S !! Back in FOTR he was called immortal! He could fight the Balrog Alone with armor and his blade!! How can that be the worst movie character?
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Duuuuude...  Shocked u gotta be kidding me! Doh!

That Boromir R.O.C.K.S !! Back in FOTR he was called immortal! He could fight the Balrog Alone with armor and his blade!! How can that be the worst movie character?

QFT. Not only that, he has Aragorn signet and he's a ranger. That was awesome back in Fellowship block. Ranger's Versatility before the errata was amazing.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 10:48:58 AM »

Pippin, Just a Nuisance
Merry, Unquenchable Hobbit
Legolas, Companion of the Ring - I can't stand that Legolas
Theoden, Son of Thengel - Garbage

Not to defend every card, but:
Aragorn, Swift Hunter- I'm not really familiar with.  Seems he might be alright.  3 vitality and can work on himself.  I used to use Heir of Elendil because he was auto Defender +1 and Swordarm of the White Tower
Merry, Noble Warrior- I use this merry in my Rohan deck, but don't start him.  I use him for his sword, but with his 5 strength and sword along with an Honorable Charge isn't too bad. 
Gandalf, The Grey Wizard- May be the worst Gandalf, but I have done okay with him choking and using Trust Me As You Once Did.

I don't really get Guide and Protector.  I know there is potential there with a wounding deck and probably a lot with Shadowplay, Unheeded, and NFFATROD, but I can't stand that he has to be skirmishing the minion.  If he only had to be assigned to a skrimish he would be waaaaaaay better.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 10:52:18 AM »

Wait, is there a skirmish event that heals a hobbit?
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2009, 12:48:39 PM »

The Movie Characters are:

Free people:

Frodo:
Sam:
Pippin:
Merry:
Bilbo:
Gimli:
Gandalf:
Aragorn:
Boromir:
Faramir:
Denethor:
Legolas:
Arwen:
Galadriel:
Elrond:
Theoden:
Eomer:
Eowyn:
Treebeard:
Smeagol:



The Enemy:

Sauron:
Saruman:
Lurtz:
Ugluk:
The Witch-King:
Grishnakh:
Gorbag:
Shagrat:
The Watcher in the Water:
The Cave Troll:
The Balrog:
Gothmog:
Ulaire Attea:
Ulaire Cantea:
Ulaire Enquea:
Ulaire Lemenya:
Ulaire Nelya:
Ulaire Nertea:
Ulaire Otsea:
Ulaire Toldea:
Gollum:
Shelob:
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 12:56:05 PM »

Khhm... in LOTR TCG all characters except the ones with Weta bug on them are movie characters Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 01:04:14 PM »

Ok the MAIN movie characters  Doh!
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2009, 02:14:43 PM »

Deathless-lord or Conquerer of Arthedain are easily the worst Wikkie's.

Sam, Faithful Companion or Steadfast Friend
Merry and Pippin that discard in skirmish - rubbish

For Aragorn I will have to nominate Captain of Gondor... and I know this will cause a stir. But lets face it, you would NEVER use him if it wasnt for the fact that he is the only Aragorn Knight. Now we have Armor of the White City to make Thorongil a base 12 with Isildur.
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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2009, 03:15:31 PM »

Funny how times have changed... remember also rarities when comparing companions. My inputs:

Gandalf, the Grey Wizard: Great for Fellowship decks paired with TMAYOD and Gandalf's Wisdom.

Sam, Faithful Companion: Fellowship choke.

Aragorn, Heir of Elendil: COMMON, great $$$ solution for those who couldn't afford RotN ($15-20 on eBay back when I was playing). GloinTheDark is right on with Swordarm of the White Tower -- in fact, I remember an article by Decipher (maybe a TT preview) that highlighted this combo.

Eomer, Sister-son of Theoden and Theoden, Son of Thengel: Rohan allies were good in Towers, notice that Eomer can be started (unlike others) and Theoden gives EASY liberation (needed vs. Uruk, Dunland, and some Southron. Southron archery/site control was common in Towers block).

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2009, 06:06:37 PM »

Oh, First Watcher was the worst.  I heard about a game where the free people's player left him alive and kept moving and the shadow player couldn't play any other minions.  I think it was in a multi-player game, so no shadow player could throw minions.

Worst Balrog was the common one from Moria, but back in that set you could always pack one for site 5.

The Enduring Shelob from Seige of Gondor always loses to Eomer with Horse and Spear.

First Lurtz was kinda over-priced. 7 twilight i think.
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2009, 06:28:59 PM »

Looks like Merry, Noble Warrior was a rather unpopular choice! The discarding versions do get their share of criticism, but they weren't all created equal:

Merry, Impatient Hobbit - straightforward regroup discard with a healing bonus for a Gandalf companion.
Merry, Learned Guide - only one that can discard while assigned to a skirmish.
Merry, Unquenchable Hobbit - most limited to me.

The counterpart to Unquenchable Hobbit would be Just a Nuisance, but removing an Uruk-hai from a skirmish might come in useful in Towers block.

Gandalf, the Grey Wizard: Great for Fellowship decks paired with TMAYOD and Gandalf's Wisdom.
One thing I've noticed about Fellowship TMaYOD decks is that many use the beastly Friend of the Shirefolk, and let other companions handle the Gandalf signets. For a skirmish deck the extra base strength comes in handy! But it's true that The Grey Wizard is the only Gandalf with a Gandalf signet in Fellowship block.

Rarity... maybe to a point. Companion of the Ring is the easiest Legolas to get in WotR block, but I still won't forgive him! Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2009, 06:38:41 PM »

One thing I've noticed about Fellowship TMaYOD decks is that many use the beastly Friend of the Shirefolk, and let other companions handle the Gandalf signets. For a skirmish deck the extra base strength comes in handy! But it's true that The Grey Wizard is the only Gandalf with a Gandalf signet in Fellowship block.

I use FotS in the TMaYOD/Pipeweed deck, but I'm not trying to choke. In another deck, I use Gandalf's Wisdom, and almost all possessions and companions are free. Add No Stranger to the Shadows => Lots of powerful companions and possessions out, not as much twilight as expected.
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2009, 07:29:33 PM »

Amazing! Every copy of Bilbo ever made is useful!
There aren't many other characters like that.............. Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2009, 12:20:09 PM »

I was about to say the same for Galadriel, but getting so many versions X'ed probably shouldn't be a point of praise. LOL!

Thoughts on the rest in Olorin's list:

Free Peoples:

Bilbo - N/A
Elrond, Keeper of Vilya
Galadriel - N/A
Smeagol, Hurried Guide
Treebeard, Oldest Living Thing

Shadow:

(Many of the N/A's here are due to being singletons in their respective cultures.)

Cave Troll of Moria - N/A
Gollum, Nasty Treacherous Creature
Gorbag - is either Wraith version (Covetous Captain, Lieutenant of Cirith Ungol) used much?
Gothmog - N/A
Grishnakh - N/A
Lurtz - haven't a clue
Saruman, Master of Foul Folk (too mean to Isengard Orcs?)
Sauron - N/A
Shagrat - N/A
Shelob, Last Child of Ungoliant
The Balrog, Terror of Flame and Shadow*
The Witch-King, Deathless Lord
Ugluk - N/A
Ulaire Attea, The Easterling**
Ulaire Cantea - N/A***
Ulaire Enquea, Faster Than Winds
Ulaire Lemenya, Wraith on Wings
Ulaire Nelya, Black-Mantled Wraith
Ulaire Nertea, Black-Mantled Wraith
Ulaire Otsea, Black-Mantled Wraith
Ulaire Toldea, Dark Shadow
Watcher in the Water, Keeper of Westgate

*Largely replaced by Demon of Might. Durin's Bane can still be splashed in Fellowship block decks for The Bridge of Khazad-dum.
**One of the few twilight Nazgul, but still awful. I'm not a fan of Dark Predator, either.
***Fourth of the Nine Riders may be the least powerful of his versions, but can still fit in Forestguls.

Lurtz, Servant of Isengard, besides being the only Isengard version, is quite the beatstick in Fellowship block Uruk decks. I think that takes him out of the running.
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 12:47:27 PM »

any card that has 2 versions or less should be removed from consideration.
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2009, 03:10:12 PM »

Saruman, Master of Foul Folk: great for TT Warg Rider decks.
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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2009, 10:07:11 AM »

Gorbag - is either Wraith version (Covetous Captain, Lieutenant of Cirith Ungol) used much?
I think Covetous Captain is awesome. If you're playing Morcs, that's basically a +3 pump for all your guys! Combine with Streaming to the Field and Stooping to the Kill and you've got very deadly Orcs. I use him in a Morgul archery deck as a little surprise for players who've put too many archery wounds on the RB... Twisted!

Lieutenant of Cirith Ungol I think, on the other hand, is pretty terrible. 5 when you have to spend at least 4 on a Nazgûl to get his full effect?

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2009, 10:16:47 AM »

The Balrog, Terror of Flame and Shadow*

*Largely replaced by Demon of Might. Durin's Bane can still be splashed in Fellowship block decks for The Bridge of Khazad-dum.

No way! Centurion has an insane deck that uses him to kick butt along with plenty of swords and whips.
Not to mention the Bridge of Khazad-dum and four Dark Places. Also, Fill with Fear skips the archery phase
and imho cheap Balrog is better than slightly more pumped Balrog.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2009, 10:30:18 AM »

Funny how times have changed... remember also rarities when comparing companions. My inputs:

Gandalf, the Grey Wizard: Great for Fellowship decks paired with TMAYOD and Gandalf's Wisdom.

Sam, Faithful Companion: Fellowship choke.

Aragorn, Heir of Elendil: COMMON, great $$$ solution for those who couldn't afford RotN ($15-20 on eBay back when I was playing). GloinTheDark is right on with Swordarm of the White Tower -- in fact, I remember an article by Decipher (maybe a TT preview) that highlighted this combo.

Eomer, Sister-son of Theoden and Theoden, Son of Thengel: Rohan allies were good in Towers, notice that Eomer can be started (unlike others) and Theoden gives EASY liberation (needed vs. Uruk, Dunland, and some Southron. Southron archery/site control was common in Towers block).

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Agree with all, except Sam, Faithful Companion. IMHO It will always be better to use Sam, Son of Hamfast.
Anyway to choke, you'll be needing 2 copies of Bill the Pony in your deck.
Still with Sam, SoH you can play them as they come into hand with no need to search them in the deck..
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2009, 11:50:51 AM »

Still with Sam, SoH you can play them as they come into hand with no need to search them in the deck..

Choking from the get-go is going to be more important than waiting until they show up. But I do agree that Sam, SoH is awesome (painful for corrupting Shadows...)
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2009, 12:44:02 PM »

Worst Boromir- Boromir, Defender of Minas Tirith
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« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2009, 12:48:45 PM »

No way, he's amazing! Sure you've got to be a bit careful or else you'll throw out so much twilight you'll kill yourself, but he just screams awesomeness! A fully healed Boromir every turn? Just awesome!

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« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2009, 12:57:15 PM »

the question is not whether he's bad, but whether he's the worst BOROMIR.
I would say he unquestionably is.
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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2009, 01:15:48 PM »

Are you kidding me? HOW is Boromir, DoMT worse than Boromir, Doomed Heir??

DoMT is actually a GREAT companion, if you know how to use him. Any companion that depends on having lots of possessions in order to work well isn't that great a companion.
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2009, 01:19:40 PM »

Guarded City
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2009, 01:21:45 PM »

Proud and Noble Man? I admit I've never used him, but he doesn't seem that great to me. And Destined Guide? Also not great (although I do have a deck for him!). In general, I'd rather have DoMT.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2009, 01:35:13 PM »

Alright Mr Lurtzy, if you want to come to Chicago and play your Doomed Heir/Guarded City deck against me, I'll be glad to show you how horrible that deck would perform.

Believe me, the easiest way to lose a game is to make your deck overcomplicated.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2009, 02:10:24 PM »


Play in Fellowship block with Aragorn, HttWC you'll see how awesome he can be. I'm putting him in a deck along with some Bilbo twilight removing action with Consorting with Wizards. Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2009, 02:12:56 PM »

That's great, but he's from black rider
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2009, 02:28:22 PM »

That's great, but he's from black rider
Yes, but he's a reprint from Realms of the Elf Lords.

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2009, 02:33:54 PM »

Yes, but I think that's what makes people not like it.  I personally don't like most of the reprints.  DoMT was great back in the day.. while still useful, I don't think it has the same impact.  He's the only new Boromir I don't use.  (Still might be equal to or better than PaNM though)

EDIT* only real reason PaNM is good is in IB decks to get some blades out asap.
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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2009, 03:02:08 PM »

That's great, but he's from black rider
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2009, 04:01:03 PM »

Actually I did start in the Fellowship Block... but for some reason I forgot he was in it. I guess he wasn't important around where I played. Tongue
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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2009, 04:08:15 PM »

Cant believe no one has commented on my Aragorn choice... do you all agree with me that Captain of Gondor is the worst Gorn!?
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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2009, 04:38:22 PM »

Cant believe no one has commented on my Aragorn choice... do you all agree with me that Captain of Gondor is the worst Gorn!?

  Worst Gorn? No way!!! One of my favorites if you ask me. I run him even outside a knights deck, just to get a strenght 9 gorn (yes, i run Isildur as RB) that can use advantage of Knight's Mount and can add some healing power to my deck.
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2009, 04:51:23 PM »

Actually I did start in the Fellowship Block... but for some reason I forgot he was in it. I guess he wasn't important around where I played. Tongue

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »

Cant believe no one has commented on my Aragorn choice... do you all agree with me that Captain of Gondor is the worst Gorn!?
I disagree... because I can't just throw away the fact that he's a knight!

Looking over the discussion, for the folks defending certain choices, it would be interesting to see what their thoughts on the worst version would be. Obviously we all have different ways of looking at things, but for the sake of the topic I think we have to draw the line somewhere (unless we're totally comparing apples to oranges).

For example, does any competitive Rohan deck choose Sister-son of Theoden over Third Marshal of Riddermark, even in Towers block? His text basically says "Use me in a Rohan allies deck!" but I still think TMoR is the better companion, for the sheer skirmish power. But possibly another version is even worse than SsoT. Same for Gandalf. You guys have made a good case for why The Grey Wizard might not be the worst, but is there another that could take his place?
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2009, 07:39:31 PM »

Actually, I take it back with The Grey Wizard. I had a deck with him but had forgotten that he requires exertions... if it was without I think he'd be more competitive.
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2009, 09:11:16 PM »

I think Grey Wizard is the worst, except for maybe, and I'm sure someone has an amazing deck using him, Bearer of Obligation.  Granted he is a ring-bearer, but I don't like how almost every other RB companion can do something even if they aren't the ring-bearer except this one.  I guess Faramir doesn't, but he does have an ability. 

The Grey Wizard-Choke, and Trust Me potential***Possibly Worst Gandalf
Friend of the Shirefolk-Rainbow potential, hunters potential, High Strength
The Grey Pilgrim-Splash, draws cards, Aragorn Signet
The White Wizard-Gandalf Signet for Trust Me and strength but does require 3 twilight, good in twilight flood decks***possibly worst Gandalf
Greyhame-Discarding Hobbits, but Theoden signet***Possibly Worst Gandalf
Mithrandir-Aragorn Signet can help him heal, High Strength, damage +1, shadowfax can help, as can sent back
Defender of the West-Good for a single or 2 culture deck, high strength, Gandalf Signet
Manager of Wizards-Elven Telepathy, -3 to minions, can lose intiative
Leader of Men-Start Gandalf for 2 twilight, allows for Gandalf to help other cultures with his tech, but limits his skirmishing power
Leader of the Company-Another Gandalf that helps Rainbow decks and can splash also, resist.
The White Rider-Skirmishing potential, I'd like to see a deck using him, Skirmish canceling if nothing else
Bearer of Obligation-see above. ***possibly worst gandalf, but after having listed some of the ones above could be worse
Powerful Guide-8 str., works with hobbits, direct wounding, draws cards
Returned-Gets his sword, reinforces tokens
Wise Guide-8 str., and can cancel events

Sorry if i missed any.

I'm thinking probably Greyhame, the White Wizard is not really my favorite either, I think Defender of the West is a more Reliable version of him.  Then there's Bearer of Obligation.  Again he doesn't do anything if he's not the Ring-Bearer, he is even worse because he is 5 resistance.

For me, I think the Grey Wizard is better than all of those, with possibly the exception of Bearer of Obligation because I'm not really familiar with decks that run Gandalf as the ring-bearer.
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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2009, 01:11:15 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation even doesn't have got any ability - and only 5 resistance... and
- you MUST spot 2 other companions
- you MUST discard 2 Gandalf cards or add 3 burdens  Evil

- no way... just reduce Gandalf's resistance to zero (what is not necessary because he has got always some burdens)... and if he has got some possessions that pump his resistance, discard them...
- I played with a Gandalf Ringbearer against a dwarven discard deck... how do you want discard those cards if you don't have got any cards in the deck anymore (at site 4!!!)
- if you got a bad draw (starting hand with 7 shadow cards... could happen)... you need to add the burdens...  Brick Wall
- your opponent perhaps must not play any cards and Gandalf kills himself...

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down

So, I think, Gandalf BoO is obviously the worst Gandalf... (if you consider, that Gandalf is as Saruman and Sauron the most powerful beeing in middle-earth)
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2009, 02:17:57 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2009, 02:28:00 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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Yes... I know...

but IMO it would have been engough to say: 6 instead of 5 resistance and 2 burdens instead of 3 burdens... then, you have a chance to SURVIVE... so, this ringbeaerer makes your deck very weak and lose competitiveness...
I don't say he should be as a normal Gandalf... I know there must be something like a set back... but not THIS ONE.

Imagine one of your companions get killed by a fast shadow... and you don't draw another one... you are even not able to prevent taking those burdens...and you lose...
Imagine to be in my situation: play against an discard deck... at site 4 or 5 your deck is completely discarded... and then? you lose...
imagine you got a bad draw... and must take those burdens... the shadowplay only needs to add one or another burden... and you lose
Imagine your shadow player don't play anything... Jarnsmid cannot remove burdens... and you lose...

Although I like Gandalf... here I just got to say: Gandalf is a real loser...

I played most of my games with Gandalf Ringbearer... but he es really to weak

If you want to have Gandalf in your starting... and not just that poor LOM... play

- Faramir BoQ + Gandalf wise guide or
- Gimli Ringbearer + Gandalf Leader of the company
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2009, 03:05:41 AM »

If you want to have Gandalf in your starting... and not just that poor LOM...
Funny stuff how "Leader of Men" is always the one that ends up being burned. Pwned! That's what you get for trying to lead us rabble. Evil

Guess I'd nominate Bearer of Council as the worst Boromir, then. Even decks needing a Gondor Ring-bearer might go with Faramir, so his ARB status might not save the day, either.
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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2009, 03:20:39 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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How many cards will you have to discard and how many cards will you have to play to remove burdens?? Dude, how is that saving cards, just tell me??

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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2009, 03:43:31 AM »

Gandalf Bearer of Obligation is a bad joke from Decipher...  Cop no ability... but a lot of heavy requirements and set backs...  Thumbs Down
Yes, that's because he's GANDALF in your starting fellowship for FREE! I don't think I can stress this enough. Gandalf is the most useful companion to have around, by far, and BoO gives him to you FOR FREE! No silly waiting to draw Gandalf, no LoM, no SftF to turn LoM into a useful version of Gandalf, you're saving a whole load of cards by starting BoO for FREE!

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Saving a whole load of cards? LMAO

How many cards will you have to discard and how many cards will you have to play to remove burdens?? Dude, how is that saving cards, just tell me??


I actually see both sides of this, I agree with Thran in respect to Gandalf for 0 cost in your fellowship is rocking and he has other advantages such as drawing stuff for gandalf before you actually get him! But Leo is right; saving cards is not one of them. You have to stack your deck with cards just to lose them. My BoO deck haemmorhages cards.

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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2009, 05:38:07 AM »

I run a Rohan fighting RB deck with Gandalf and its good, but I have to dedicate quite a bit of deck space to burden removal!
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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2009, 06:01:45 AM »

That's great, but he's from black rider
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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2009, 04:50:28 PM »

I did start from fellowship block, and I must state Mithrandir is hands down the worst Gandalf. His autowounding just sucks.

I like BoO and have a nice dekc with him. There are several good characters within the gandalf culture that can get cards back... Grimbeorn + axe by example. And if they dont play anything, move lsowly and let the opponent choke himself. He will have to empty his hand with shadow in order for his free peoples to work.
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« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2009, 05:57:37 PM »

Eomer, Guardian of the Eastmark
worst eomer...but its weird though, I looked through the lists and I can't find the other ROTK eomer, or the black rider one I think.
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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2009, 06:01:51 PM »

I did start from fellowship block, and I must state Mithrandir is hands down the worst Gandalf. His autowounding just sucks.

I remember I was pretty excited when I first got this card in a pack, and I tried to incorporate him into my decks. It's true that Aragorn, KiE helps, but as much as I tried, Gandalf always died on me. Tongue Still, it seems that if you built a deck to keep him alive and happy (just as you could build a deck for BoO), he's nice and strong.
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« Reply #62 on: February 10, 2009, 06:06:57 PM »

There is only 1 Eomer from set 7 (ROTK).

Eomer, Eored Leader (12U112) is the one from Black Rider.
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« Reply #63 on: February 10, 2009, 06:56:12 PM »

theres another one, I know it. he says something about intiative and discarding cards from hand, oh he's a P thats why,

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« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2009, 08:11:40 PM »

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I did start from fellowship block, and I must state Mithrandir is hands down the worst Gandalf. His autowounding just sucks.

I have a Mithrandir deck, actually. He's pretty easy to keep healed up with King In Exile and/or Hard Choice, and yes, packing the extra healing is worth it to have that kind of beatstick around! He also makes a nice combo with Sent Back, since it doesn't really matter if he dies then.

I'll do the Nazzies, I guess:

- Attea: The Easterling. Yes, he was more useful back in Fellowship Block, but even then he was weak at best.
- Cantea: I guess Fourth of the Nine Riders, but I've found him to be a decent toss-in to Forestgul decks. No terrible versions, really.
- Enquea: Either Black Threat or Dark Threat. Probably the former.
- Lemenya: I'd love for someone to tell me a use for Wraith On Wings that another card can't do much, much better.
- Nelya: I guess Black Hunter, though no really poor versions. I refuse to say Lieutenant of Morgul; yes, useless now, but he was swiggity-sweet back in the day.
- Nertea: I never was able to get good use out of Thrall Of The One, but I'd love if someone could enlighten me.
- Otsea: Wow. I guess Black-mantled Wraith--I was never big into Shadow initiative--but they're all pretty darn useful.
- Toldea: Again, they're all good. I guess Wraith On Wings? Or can I just say "none"?
- The Witch-king: Deathless Lord. Ugh. The real insult is that people that bought the Towers Block Nazzie starter decks were stuck with him.
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« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2009, 09:32:53 PM »

Black Threat could be run in Forestguls (on account of toil making him cheaper); Nertea TotO could be splashed in Morcs (although Dark Horseman might've stolen his thunder).
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« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2009, 02:34:42 AM »

Black Threat could be run in Forestguls (on account of toil making him cheaper); Nertea TotO could be splashed in Morcs (although Dark Horseman might've stolen his thunder).

I run two black threat in my forest nazgul deck, and he's just awesome. After playing 4 nazguls, then u play WK for 0 and enquea for 1... how cool is that?

I don't see how a toil minion could be the worst version of it... enquea from RoS or Age's End are obviously the worst ones.
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« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2009, 02:12:30 PM »

I did start from fellowship block, and I must state Mithrandir is hands down the worst Gandalf. His autowounding just sucks.

I am going to bring this topic back. Gandalf, Mithrandir is one of my favorite Gandalf cards, especially with Sent Back and Moment of Respite. It's like Decipher thought, let's just make this guy even better over the course of the next few sets!
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« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2009, 04:28:53 PM »

stout and sturdy (1C315) in answer to gloin's question from page 1
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« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2009, 05:27:11 PM »

well, no one else was stepping up to plate.  I figured better late than never Ninja!
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« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2018, 02:25:46 PM »

Reviving old topics is the best! I'll take into account how good cards are in sealed as well, so they won't all be the commons.

Gimli, Lively Combatant. Could be used in an initiative losing deck, but Memories of Darkness is banned. To be fair, there's rarely a reason to use anyone other than BoG or Feared Axeman
Arwen, Evenstar of her People. Just bad, though I'd rarely use Elven Rider. Or Echo of Luthien.
Legolas, Companion of the Ring. Though Fleet Footed Hunter is bad, he is how Hunters should have been-lose a strength point for the keyword, so I forgive him.
Gandalf, The Grey Wizard. Completely outclassed by the others in Fellowship Block and the other Gandalf Signets outside. It is hard to use Mithrandir, though.
Smeagol, Old Noser. Outclassed by Poor Creature. Though so is Hurried Guide.
Aragorn, Well-Traveled Guide. All Aragorns have their uses, but I would never use this one. The cards that make him ok lose to Wormtongue. A tough decision, though as has obvious potential.
Boromir, Destined Guide. Worse than the ARB without a ring! I don't like Doomed Heir, but at least you can have fun with him. Also, I prefer DoMT and HttWC over KiE and LoG in Fellowship Block, so Lord of Gondor comes close.
Faramir, Prince of Ithilien. Stout Captain at least got Ranger (and a totally unnecessary spotting requirement)
Eomer, Rohirrim Captain. Other bad Eomers exist, but this guy is rare and worse than TMotR. SSoT is actually payable in set 4 only where Dunland rules, though deserved Valiant.
Eowyn, Lady of the Mark. Useless.
Theoden, Son of Thengel. Lowest vitality of all companions is bad, so it has to be a Towers Block one. I prefer the other two.
Bilbo, Retired Adventurer. A detriment to your deck. I hate cards that do this (him and Grimir). If you fill your deck with FP cards, you will draw them when your opponent strolls to 9 with their FP. You want to be drawing Shadow cards late game.
Frodo, Resolute Hobbit. I know he's really popular, but I never played him. Use Courteous Halfling or Little Master instead-the text is well worth two resistance. By the way, Towers Block has no discard at all, so if you play Courteous Halfling, at least use Mind Your Own Affairs.
Merry, Unquenchable Hobbit. I prefer the common Learned Guide, and Swordthain is better as an archery soak. Not a fan of Resolute Friend, though.
Pippin, Mr. Took. Bad.
Sam, Loyal Friend. A worse and harder to obtain GEW. Frodo's Gardener and Faithful Companion are pretty bad, but at least have a Signet.

I hate being negative, but the thread pretty much demands it. Lots of set 19 in there. Some cards were great (Wise Guide, Smeagol and Gollum), others not.
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« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2018, 05:45:44 AM »

Gimli, Lively Combatant - This is just not very helpful. Feared Axeman + A Clamour of Many Voices would be better.

Arwen, Reflection of Luthien - most versions of Arwen have innate strength boosts, but you have to pay for this one (Compare with Lord of the Glittering Caves). Forest bonus is weak, Staunch Defender is preferable. At least Evenstar of Her People can exert allies.

Legolas, Nimble Warrior - I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned before. Any other Legolas is either a better archer or a better fighter. Signet is bad.

Gandalf, Stormcrow - I know it's a LOTRO promo, but this card serves no purpose.

Aragorn, Swift Hunter - Most versions of Aragorn are pretty good. Guide and Protector works well with Powerful Guide. Well-Traveled Guide works well with otherwise solo RBs (just use Flame of the West, Coat of Mail and Pathfinder). Swift Hunter on the other hand is just very bland.

Boromir, Destined Guide - There is nothing this Boromir can do that BoC can't do better.

Faramir, Stout Captain - Spotting requirement, bad signet and bad ability.

Eomer, Eored Leader - I don't know what this is supposed to be good for. Your opponent will know immediately what you want to do.

Eowyn, Lady of the Mark - She makes Restless Warrior look good.

Theoden, Leader of Spears - naturally this has better statistics than a Towers Theoden, but the ability and signet are awful. I only see this in Sealed.

Frodo, Master of the Precious - At 2 burdens per use, this just seems a lot worse than I would like it to be. There are cheaper ways to recall Smeagol. Frodo has a lot of bad versions though.

Merry, The Tall One - I can't control whether my opponent has hunters, and other versions of Merry have better strength boosts at this stage.

Pippin, Mr. Took - I almost always summon both of these guys. Though The Short One is also bad.

Sam, Frodo's Gardener - why would I want to do this?
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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2018, 02:15:41 PM »

Gimli, Lockbearer - I've always felt Lockbearer is nothing more than a worse version of Gimli, Faithful Companion. In TT he's pushed out by Aragorn and the need to keep under 4 cultures and 6 companions for Dauntless Hunter decks, and the amount of Hobbits needed to make him better than Lord of the Glittering Caves in WotR and on doesn't seem effective (though admittedly, it could be a fun deck). My honorable mention goes to Counter of Foes, who would be awesome if he could be used with Feared Axeman. Gimli's Armor and Dwarven Bracers do some work and an "Enduring" Dwarf is neat, but it seems so fragile so late in the game's lifespan.

EDIT: I mistook Lively Combatant for Faithful Companion originally. Lively Combatant is probably worse than Counter of Foes, but at least he fills a niche. I'm comfortable with my Lockbearer vote Tongue

Arwen, Elven Rider - The only place I can imagine using her is in Fellowship facing Twilight Nazgul, in which case Daughter of Elrond seems much better for the job. It is neat that her ability can stack with Mithril-coat (unlike most armors, which are null with wound prevention), but other than a round-about way of cycling I don't see her as useful. A little surprised that Evenstar of Her People is mentioned. With ally Elrond and Galadriel alone she's a free -3 each turn, I use her in all TT decks with an Arwen. Lady Undomiel is much harder to use past Fellowship Block, in my opinion. I'd use Echo of Luthien primarily as a better (though less free) version of Smeagol, Poor Creature.

Legolas, Fleet-footed Hunter - His lack of the Archer keyword makes him so much worse than Of the Woodland Realm, nevermind that the two abilities are leagues apart. Even considering his rarity, I don't see him being often better than Companion of the Ring. Nimble Warrior is certainly bad, though. Could've been cool if there were any way to remove threats in Archery or if Gimli's Battle Axe, Trusted Weapon added to the Archery total at 1 threat, but as it stands it's hard to use to gain very little.

Gandalf, Stormcrow - As pointless as I think The Grey Wizard is, Stormcrow has absolutely no place in any deck. At least I could dream up a reason to use The Grey Wizard.

Smeagol, Hurried Guide - I'm not surprised to see Old Noser mentioned, but I think he's just misunderstood. Hurried Guide is simply a (much, much) worse version of Poor Creature in decks without buffs for Smeagol, and decks with buffs would be far better served by nearly any other Smeagol. Honorable mention goes to Wretched and Hungry, who is a (much, much) worse version of Pitiable Guide. A resistance boost to the RB is what keeps him above Hurried Guide.

Aragorn, Guide and Protector - Most Aragorns are good and none are outright useless. Still, as was mentioned years ago, the "skirmishing" restriction is hard to get around. If you're playing an event in Aragorn's skirmish, you probably don't need to bother wounding that minion anyways. Swift Hunter is markedly worse than Heir to the Throne of Gondor and Thorongil (duh), but he's also not rare and can buff the Ring-bearer with The Ring of Doom. Isildur's Heir seems tricky to use, too, but I'd be more tempted to build a deck around him than Guide and Protector. Who is he protecting with that ability, anyway? Himself?

Boromir, Destined Guide - Yeah, I really want to envision a world where the Fellowship keyword is worth having and starting Boromir, Merry, and Pippin is something worth doing. The fact that Bearer of Council can bear the Ring shoots him up pretty high in my opinion, even if he is one of the less worthwhile Ring-bearers. As a non-Ring-bearer, I'd say Bearer of Council is actually worse because, while his ability is better, there's no point in using him. Exertions on Hobbits are nearly free, so it's a (justified) lore restriction in my mind. Destined Guide gets style points, but is still the loser here.

Faramir, Stout Captain - I'm a little biased against Stout Captain because his picture is clearly of a knight, and yet he's a ranger. The spot requirement makes starting with him incredibly difficult for no reason I can see, and the easiest ways to enable rangers to win skirmishes usually come with damage bonuses. At least Prince of Ithilien gets an easy Defender bonus.

Eomer, Heir to Meduseld - Eomer is one of my favorite companions (since Rohan is my favorite culture), so I may have an unpopular pick but I stand by it. I've always felt the damage bonuses on Rohan were highly unnecessary, and the strength bonus (What, +3 in most cases?) is just not worth having. Rohan can do big fellowships without much trouble, but even then +6 (gotta save a spot for Merry's Sword) shouldn't be the best you could do. In my opinion, there's a better version in Valiant Warchief: he cycles terrifically (bonus for me, but some people see it as a burden), can actually start with a useful companion, and is a Valiant companion for Valiant companions. Plus he can spot himself. Eored Captain has similar issues as a Third Marshal of Riddermark that you can hardly start with (Hurray for Aldred or Swordthain, I guess), but Valiant is underrated, doggone it! Forthwith Banished is abundantly easy to start with, but it's hard to imagine why it's necessary. I like Eored Leader's swarm-proof-edness, I think if nothing else he could be fun to use. I think Rohirrim Captain and Sister-son of Theoden are grossly misunderstood (especially Rohirrim Captain - so good!) and Sister-son of Theoden absolutely deserved Valiant. Lots of opinions on Eomer, haha.

Eowyn, Lady of the Mark - Not much contest, though I've always thought Willing Fighter, Shieldmaiden of Rohan, and Restless Warrior had limited uses if all Eowyns are available.

Theoden, Ednew - Full disclosure, I really didn't want to pick Son of Thengel (I think he's misunderstood, too. Also, he should've been valiant). Still, I stand behind my decision fully. Ednew's bonuses are just worse versions of bonuses he can get other ways. Again, I don't see the point of a damage bonus and The Renowned has that same effect with other, actually useful effects. Would rather have King of the Eorlingas' strength boost, though I appreciate the spot cost. If you're using him with Gandalf, you'd want King of the Eorlingas again. No easier to start with than any of those guys, either.

Bilbo, Retired Adventurer - Not a terrible card (can be healed by Fellowship versions of Elrond, which is neat if nothing else), but by far the worst Bilbo. I'm only now building my first deck to include him.

Frodo, Resolute Hobbit - Wicked Masster! got some hate earlier, but he's one of my favorite copies of Frodo. Expensive, yes, and worthless outside of King Block (unlike every other copy of Frodo), but wounding a minion in a pinch is sometimes exactly what it takes to win a game. Add it to a Hobbit Hospital deck (or anything with a burden removal engine) and his text, in my opinion, is more valuable than most other Frodos available for that site path. I'm with Legion here, 2 extra resistance looks better than it is. No corruption deck is only going to be able to put 10 burdens down, and once you're past 5 you're in rough waters regardless. Honorable mention goes to Son of Drogo, my initial pick. Exerting someone else to heal Frodo is usually the opposite of what players want to do, but decks which can use him are interesting.

Merry, Unquenchable Hobbit - So, so situational. I wouldn't ever put this guy in a deck until RotK, when Sauron Orcs have minions fearsome enough to try maneuvering around. Honorable mention for Impatient Hobbit, who I guess could have some interesting recursion healing at least (whether or not it's worth the deck space). This version of Merry may be the only one worse than his correlating Pippin (Well, Resolute Friend has stiff competition).

Pippin, Hastiest of All - Oh, Pippin. It was not until much later that anyone at Decipher cared very much for you at all. By the time recursion of this guy is worth trying to achieve, the effect is no longer worth achieving. Mr. Took clocks in at a close second (he was my initial pick), and Friend to Frodo (may take some heat for this one) would be third for me.

Sam, Steadfast Friend - The only copy of Sam totally ineligible of bearing The One Ring. The resistance boost is interesting, I'll grant, but that's all you got? Loyal Friend is a lame discounted version of Great Elf Warrior, but I'd still pick him over Steadfast Friend in any deck with Frodo as the Ring-bearer. Alternate Ring-bearers shouldn't waste a companion slot on so little.

Good eye, Legion! Excellent topic to bring back to the forefront! I'd like to have another run at this one for support characters and Shadow characters from the movies when I've got the time.
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« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2018, 05:20:56 AM »

Nazgul!

The Witch-king, Black Lord - Alright, now we all know that Deathless Lord is the worst version of WK. But hear me out: Deathless Lord came in a Two Towers starter. He's practically a common while all other WKs are rare (Well, Dark Lord is Ages End). In my mind, that fills a niche--there's a reason players would use him. Meanwhile, Black Lord is the most disappointing WK you could pull from a pack. The twilight subtraction is interesting, but rarely better than Captain of the Nine Riders. The response to a companion being played is interesting, but far too dependent on your opponent's actions and rarely better than Lord of the Nazgul. You effectively reduce your hand size for the chance to maybe get some free exerts. I'd be happy to convert to Deathless Lord if someone can convince me that this guy is worth using. He has a niche in Standard and WotR Block, perhaps, but that doesn't carry much value for me.
 
Ulaire Attea, Desirous of Power - It's rare, it's in Hunters Block, and it's awful. The amount of twilight needed to make him better than any of the other twilight-focused Atteas is downright insulting.

Ulaire Nelya, Fell Rider - A lot of bad versions of Nelya. Worst of the set 7 initiative Nazgul and worst of the set 8 Enduring Nazgul, in my haughty opinion. He's rarely better than any Cantea and his stats alone are unimpressive. Yes, Third of the Nine Riders is essential site manipulation for Forestguls, but I don't count that as a good thing. Fell Rider demands a three-card combo to be useful to any degree, and his ability has to be used after all the phases that will wound/exert him. Nice idea, terrible execution.

Ulaire Cantea, Fourth of the Nine Riders - A lot of good versions of Cantea. Gets points for rarity, but the competition here is too tough for being turned into an occasional slightly discounted Attea or Toldea with no text. Maybe some versions of Cantea should've been given to poor Nelya instead.

Ulaire Lemenya, Winged Hunter - As with Lieutenant of Morgul, he's usually either useless or redundant. The best he can do is discard some possessions on a companion (something you don't need to do when he can't even put a wound on the weakest Nazgul) and let the companion come back fully healed next site (something you don't want to do). Bad timing too, since he comes out in the same block as Rohan which makes activating his ability even less likely. Decipher released just 4 Nazgul in The Two Towers--why are 3 of them so awful? Wraith on Wings is easier to use for basically the same thing, though I admit the cost is greater.

Ulaire Enquea, Faster than Winds - Dark Threat is just a worse version of Shotgun Enquea, but this guy is even worse than that.

Ulaire Otsea, Ringwraith in Twilight - He's twilight... and that's about all he's got going for him. Easy choice for me when looking at all copies of him.

Ulaire Toldea, Eighth of the Nine Riders - You'd always rather have Third of the Nine Riders, wouldn't you? I mean, I guess you can have an extra forest on the site path for Lost in the Woods, but I still don't see how this guy gets to be better than Dark Shadow (my next pick).

Ulaire Nertea, Thrall of the One - Tough call here between this guy and Winged Hunter. Still, his text seems fairly pointless even if he is one of the fierce & enduring Nazgul. Winged Hunter is bad, make no mistake, but saved by the fact that the only Ring-bound companion for many decks is the Ring-bearer and that 3 cultures is otherwise safe and thus fairly reliable to see.
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« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2019, 07:16:18 AM »

Not to defend every card, but:
Aragorn, Swift Hunter- I'm not really familiar with.  Seems he might be alright.  3 vitality and can work on himself.  I used to use Heir of Elendil because he was auto Defender +1 and Swordarm of the White Tower.  

Thank you!

The Aragorn, Heir of Elendil was so great in two towers standard. Gandalf's signet was good for Trust me as you once did shenanigans and the Swordarm of the White Tower was pretty dang good with that Aragorn.

Also the fact he was defender+1 by default was great bcs of bow and moria - he often took down three orcs with bow, to take two more down in the skirmish.

He was nothing short of great and should be given the credit he deserves!
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