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Mouth of Saruman
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:09 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Wretched Oddments Gollum
Possession • Support Area
Discard this possession if you cannot spot another Gollum card.
Gollum is strength +1 for each card stacked here (limit +3).
Maneuver: Stack a Gollum card (except a minion) or Shadow possession here from hand (limit 3).
Shadow: Remove 1 to take a card stacked here into hand.

“...fishbones, goblins’ teeth, wet shells, a bit of bat-wing, a sharp stone to sharpen his fangs on, and other nasty things.”


The wording is a bit...odd. I’d make it "At the end of any phase, if you cannot spot another Gollum card, discard this condition." It matches Isildur, Elendil’s Heir and also gives a phase as to when the condition would be discarded. This may not be necessary, though; it’s just something I would personally use.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
2Gollum’s Boat Gollum
Possession • Support Area
Gollum is vitality +1.
Each time Gollum wins a skirmish, add a Gollum token here (or 2 Gollum tokens if that skirmish involved a Ring-bound companion).
Shadow: Remove 2 Gollum tokens from here to play Gollum from your draw deck or discard pile.

“He had a little boat, and he rowed about quite quietly on the lake....He paddled it with large feet dangling over the side, but never a ripple did he make.”


Nice. I wish it played on Gollum, though...can you not place culture tokens on possessions if they mandate it? I wasn’t around near the release of Bloodlines, though I do remember a lot of culture tokens when I did keep up with the spoilers...

DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Cross It Is Gollum
Event • Shadow
Exert Gollum to play a Gollum possession from your draw deck. Unless the Ring-bearer is a Hobbit, that possession’s twilight cost is +1.

“‘...impatient, precious. But it must wait, yes it must. We can’t go up the tunnels so hasty. We must go and get some things first, yes, things to help us.’”


Excellent!

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Inquisitive and Curious-Minded Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Each time the fellowship moves to a river or forest site, you may add a threat to heal Sméagol.

“He was interested in roots and beginnings; he dived deep into pools; he burrowed under trees and growing plants; he tunnelled into green mounds; and he ceased to look up at the hill-tops, or the leaves on trees, or the flowers opening in the air: his head and eyes were downward.”


Balanced and easy to use. I like it. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Land of the Stoors Gollum
Condition • Support Area
Discard this condition if you cannot spot Sméagol and Déagol.
Each site on the adventure path is a river.
Maneuver: Discard this condition and exert Sméagol or Déagol to make the move limit for this turn +1.

“Long ago, on the banks of the Great River, lived little Hobbit-like people. They loved the river, and often swam in it, or made little boats of reeds.”


Again, I’m not to keen on the wording. I’d have it say "At the end of any phase, if you cannot spot Sméagol and Déagol, discard this condition." Other than that, powerful card; make me anticipate your Déagol even more! Smile

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Memories of Ages Before Gollum
Event • Maneuver
Exert Sméagol to discard a Gollum card (except a minion).

“...when he lived with his grandmother in a hole in a bank by a river. ‘Sss, sss, my preciouss,’ he said. ‘Sun on the daisies it means, it does.’”


Good!
DáinIronfoot
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:14 am
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
I think my computer’s sound card has gone up, so it’s probably going to be "in the shop" this afternoon. I had planned on posting a Duo this morning and another this afternoon (two with it being 2/22 and all Rolling Eyes), but since I’m not sure I’ll even HAVE my computer this afternoon...

Dáin’s DC Duos #46 & 47

...you get two Duos now! Smile

Today, we wrap up the Free Peoples side of the Gollum culture--and the culture on the whole--with TWO companions, a possession, and a nifty little condition. I expect a couple of these to cause a little controversy (I’ll let you figure out why), because a couple are rather unlike what you’re used to on the Gollum FP side. But that’s okay...controversy and discussion is what makes this all fun, right? Smile Enjoy!

1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”

This is meant to represent Sméagol right around the time he got the Ring, when he could still be called a Stoor and, therefore, a Hobbit. I really, really wanted at least one card of Sméagol as a Hobbit, so that you have the option of throwing him into a Hobbit deck and using him as a "typical" Sméagol and also using him in a very un-Sméagol-like way.

This card has some Sméagol-typical stuff--the stats, and the ability is very Sméagol-like--and some unusual-for-Sméagol stuff as well, like adding a threat instead of a burden.

So what do you think?

While you’re chewing on that, I’m not done yet....

1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Skirmish: Discard a Gollum or Shire card from hand to make Sméagol or Déagol strength +1.
Response: If Déagol is killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer and transfer all burdens to him.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”

His skirmish text is nice, but obviously the really interesting things happen when Déagol is the Ring-bearer. His drawback text can really hurt, especially when Sméagol is around. But the trade-off can be worth it, because this also turns Sméagol into a twisted version of most Sams: an alternate Ring-bearer that can take the Ring when the first Ring-bearer dies.

Would this work?

0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, exert bearer and place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.
“...Déagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”

I really toyed with putting this in the Shire culture, but in the end I decided Gollum was better, as it really goes hand-in-hand with these new companions. Uh...yeah. Not much else to say about it, except for "go fish!" Razz

1Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.
“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”

Here’s an interesting card, one that adds a little more motivation for going with a risky Sméagol or Déagol Ring-bearer. And...yeah, I don’t really have anything else to say about this one, either. Heh. Rolling Eyes

Okay, these cards help us transition into the new culture that begins with the next Duo: Shire! It’s mostly all about Bilbo, but remember that these two companions will be able to work closely with several of those cards as well. Tune in next time! Smile

EDIT: Several changes after AC’s review. Anyone else? Pretty please?
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:09 pm; edited 2 times in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
AnxiousChieftain
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:58 pm
Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 3947 Location: Maryland
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”

He seems very similar to Smeagol, Slippery Sneak. I would change the ability to make them different.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While Déagol does not bear The One Ring, he and Sméagol are both strength +1.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Response: If Déagol is about to be killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer. He gains Déagol’s game text and all burdens.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”

Interesting. I would consider dropping the first part about not bearing the Ring, and maybe add something to make him more usable such as:

Skirmish: Discard a Gollum card from hand to make Deagol strength +1.

For his response ability, I think it needs to say ’If Deagol is killed’, so that you can’t use the ability and then prevent the death with something like Intimidate. I would also drop the gaining of Deagol’s game text, since he keeps the burdens.

Other than all that, I love the idea. GP

DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.
“...Deagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”

Ooh... definitely too good. Add an exertion to the fellowship ability; otherwise, in a Solo Smeagol / Gollum deck, you could cycle through your entire deck and grab the 8 cards you need.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.
“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”

Wow, very cool. It might be a bit too powerful as a non-unique card though, so maybe you should make it unique and drop the cost to 0 or 1.

Cool cards. Could you check out my Assault on Middle-earth set? It has some Smeagol cards that could use a review or two.

- AC
MODS RULE. - lem0nhead
DáinIronfoot
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:45 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
AnxiousChieftain wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”

He seems very similar to Smeagol, Slippery Sneak. I would change the ability to make them different.

Yeah, I had thought about that, but figured that it was different enough (especially since one discards Smeagol and one discards the minion) that it was okay. I’ll see if I can think of something else, though. Any suggestions?

AnxiousChieftain wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While Déagol does not bear The One Ring, he and Sméagol are both strength +1.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Response: If Déagol is about to be killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer. He gains Déagol’s game text and all burdens.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”

Interesting. I would consider dropping the first part about not bearing the Ring, and maybe add something to make him more usable such as:

Skirmish: Discard a Gollum card from hand to make Deagol strength +1.

For his response ability, I think it needs to say ’If Deagol is killed’, so that you can’t use the ability and then prevent the death with something like Intimidate. I would also drop the gaining of Deagol’s game text, since he keeps the burdens.

Other than all that, I love the idea. GP

I’ll make changes to the "killed" text and drop the gametext. As for the strength, isn’t that just like Smeagol, Poor Creature?

How about this? A little different, but close to what you were suggesting?

1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Skirmish: Discard a Gollum or Shire card from hand to make Sméagol or Déagol strength +1.
Response: If Déagol is killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer and transfer all burdens to him.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”

AnxiousChieftain wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.
“...Deagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”

Ooh... definitely too good. Add an exertion to the fellowship ability; otherwise, in a Solo Smeagol / Gollum deck, you could cycle through your entire deck and grab the 8 cards you need.

Good call. I’ll do that.

AnxiousChieftain wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.
“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”

Wow, very cool. It might be a bit too powerful as a non-unique card though, so maybe you should make it unique and drop the cost to 0 or 1.

Consider it done.

GP for all the help. Smile

I’m surprised you had no issues with Sméagol and Déagol being Hobbits. I expected that to cause quite a fuss.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
Mouth of Saruman
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:08 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.

“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”


I agree with AnxiousChieftain’s assessment. The Skirmish ability bears too much resemblance to that of Sméagol, Slippery Sneak. I don’t have any replacement abilities in mind, though. Think

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Skirmish: Discard a Gollum or Shire card from hand to make Sméagol or Déagol strength +1.
Response: If Déagol is killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer and transfer all burdens to him.

“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”


Interesting alternate Ring-bearer. It certainly works. Though, would it be possible to word his response action to something similar to the majority of Sam companions? Such as "Response: If Déagol is killed, make Sméagol the Ring-bearer." I think this would work the same way and that the burdens would automatically transfer.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, exert bearer and place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.

“...Deagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”


It’s good now that it’s limited. Also, shouldn’t "Deagol" be "Déagol" in the flavor text? I know it’s small and rather irrelevant, but I figured you were trying to be as accurate as possible in all aspects of a card. Smile

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.

“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”


Ooh, I like. Good job.
DáinIronfoot
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:07 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Mouth of Saruman wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”

I agree with AnxiousChieftain’s assessment. The Skirmish ability bears too much resemblance to that of Sméagol, Slippery Sneak. I don’t have any replacement abilities in mind, though. Think

Alright. I’ll see what I can come up with.

Mouth of Saruman wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Skirmish: Discard a Gollum or Shire card from hand to make Sméagol or Déagol strength +1.
Response: If Déagol is killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer and transfer all burdens to him.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”

Interesting alternate Ring-bearer. It certainly works. Though, would it be possible to word his response action to something similar to the majority of Sam companions? Such as "Response: If Déagol is killed, make Sméagol the Ring-bearer." I think this would work the same way and that the burdens would automatically transfer.

The only problem is that, since he’s not ALWAYS the Ring-bearer, I CAN’T be that simple. I have to specify that it’s only while he’s the Ring-bearer, and I have to transfer the burdens...I think. Do burdens transfer to Sam? Can’t remember.

Mouth of Saruman wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, exert bearer and place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.
“...Deagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”

It’s good now that it’s limited. Also, shouldn’t "Deagol" be "Déagol" in the flavor text? I know it’s small and rather irrelevant, but I figured you were trying to be as accurate as possible in all aspects of a card. Smile

Good catch! I’ll fix that.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
sickofpalantirs
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:28 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:
I think my computer’s sound card has gone up, so it’s probably going to be "in the shop" this afternoon. I had planned on posting a Duo this morning and another this afternoon (two with it being 2/22

1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”
I love it, would that mean, remaining vitality or total vitality, I can never remember

1Déagol, Bearer of Things Lost Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Ringed Resistance: 7
Ring-bound.
While bearing The One Ring, each time Sméagol or Déagol takes a wound, add a burden.
Skirmish: Discard a Gollum or Shire card from hand to make Sméagol or Déagol strength +1.
Response: If Déagol is killed while bearing The One Ring, add a threat to make Sméagol the Ring-bearer and transfer all burdens to him.
“‘I found this, and I’m going to keep it.’”
interesting, i like it. .

Would this work?

0 Stoor Fishing Rod Gollum
Possession
Bearer must be a Gollum companion or a Hobbit. Limit one per bearer.
Fellowship: If the fellowship is at a river, exert bearer and place a Gollum or Shire card from hand under your draw deck to draw a card.
“...Déagol stayed in the boat and fished. Suddenly a great fish took his hook....”
I would say just gollum companion for bearer again good card

1Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.
“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”

I would say threat, just because it looks like you will get lots of burdens in this deck.

Overall great DC’s!
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:50 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
sickofpalantirs wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Sméagol, Exiled Stoor Gollum
Companion • Hobbit
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 6
Ring-bound. To play, add a threat.
Skirmish: Add burdens or threats equal to the vitality of a minion Sméagol is skirmishing to discard that minion.
“‘...he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful.’”

I love it, would that mean, remaining vitality or total vitality, I can never remember

I THINK it’s how ever much vitality they have at the time, regardless of what’s printed.

sickofpalantirs wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Pleased With His Discovery Gollum
Condition • Support Area
If Sméagol or Déagol is the Ring-bearer, each time you reconcile, you may add a burden to draw a card.
“...he concealed it, and he used it to find out secrets....”

I would say threat, just because it looks like you will get lots of burdens in this deck.

Gotcha, but I did that on purpose. I don’t want it to be TOO easy. Smile

Thanks for the review!
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!

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