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corvus

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:57 am

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 1696 Location: Roaming, but dangerous!!!

Orkish Smith Definetely. With a normal condition removal system, the lackey cannot be used, but smith turns the table.

Banning the Pavise would make the Evil Men Race too weak. But way TOO WEAK. First of all, it would totally destroy Bill Ferny. He would have no protection against wounding, like shadowplay and mighty alternative ringbearers aren’t enough... Mouth of Sauron would only get 2 cards out tops, which would make him useless, the Commander would only get 2 exerts each round (Why not use Desert Lord then and split them the way i like? And maybe give him some seasoned leader s)

Hobbit Sword is one of the few cards that can protect a hobbit, it is far from broken. Gimli gets an axe and goes strength +3 and he already is 6, should we ban him as well?

Goblin Hordes... Banning it would destroy ANY orc shadow so i would definetely say no. Without the smith, it is vulnerable to condition discarding. Same goes for forced march, though i am still cautious about it...

The lackey is really pretty strong, but still IMHO the key minion is the smith. You must discard unforgiving depths to switch the site, and with goblin hordes alone, this strategy is pretty balanced, as you cannot get conditions back, AND must have drawn them VERY fast.

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lem0nhead

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:18 am

Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 2981 Location: Blood Island

Agree with Covus, gotta be the smith, he is the link to all the broken combos in the orc culture. The lackey i think is too powerful anyway, regardless as you can still play 8 of them using expendable servants then use the isengard underling to get that back and play another 4! Smith and lackey are too hard. Forced march is just an annoying card, like corvus said without smith its vulnerable but in my experience its an NPE to keep being shoved on a site with many trolls out.

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AnxiousChieftain

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:16 am

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 3947 Location: Maryland

Okay, now I’m leaning towards banning the Smith instead of Hordes (partially because it’d be awful for poor players who traded lots to get Hordes x4!). If this happens, it’ll probably start a chain effect and the other condition Shadows will have to watch out because everyone will be packing condition removal to deal with Goblin Hordes.

But I still think the Pavise should be banned. Try making a deck without it; I think you’ll find that the deck is still powerful, but it eliminates several near-broken decktypes.

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legoles3333

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:19 am

Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 861 Location: In a place that is beyond your imagination

no kidding, SLM + Pavise is no fun to play against

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corvus

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:35 am

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 1696 Location: Roaming, but dangerous!!!

Banning pavise would prevent all strong decktypes of Evil Men.
Archery loses the ability to get out many howdah s and other conditions with the mouth. Ferny has no answer to archery/wounding. Commander is much weaker.
Why play Evil Men without pavise?

Ben didn’t even use pavise at all at his games as he said, and the commander was just a slight boost.

What more is there to say?

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:54 am

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it would not, evil men archery would work with Howdah, evil men possession with sauruman, coldly still

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sickofpalantirs

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:34 pm

Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.

well something has to be done about that infinite loop. IMO X’ing strange-looking men would be an easy solution. i mean aside from that he isn’t exactly a mega-used card.

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AgentDrake

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:55 pm

Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 667 Location: Halfway between eccentric and insane...

Just an idea here: What if the pavise was Xed, and D made something else, less powerful, to replace it? Vit +1, same cost and reduction, maybe loses the wound prevention? Or even +2vit with some "to play" cost? Exert a Man minion, whatver. Seems like that would be a semi-decent compromise between "we need the pavise for our other decks" (I agree...) and "Pavise is broken" (I reluctantly accept the fact that this may be true...)

Or maybe I’m just crazy, and any replacement card would either be useless or just as bad.

If we leave out the possibility of a replacement, then IMHO the SLM should go. It solves the loop, and like SoP pointed out, it doesn’t mess with other decks.

And in the Smith vs Gobby Hordes X... Smith should win the Xing hands-down...

sickofpalantirs

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:00 pm

Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.

that would be to complicated for D. Very Happy