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JayPL
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:36 am
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 62 Location: Far, far away
will I be able to prevent using Perspective
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special ability with Final Strike? Eh?
Foresight
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:42 am
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 557 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I would assume that since Final Strike is triggered as a response action as opposed to a maneuver action, that it would get priority over the maneuver action. (Otherwise the card would be useless, right?) Final Strike pretty much butts-in when the cost of performing the maneuver/archery special ability is payed and before the effect takes place. So you can use it to prevent Perspective from working.
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Merrick_Hale
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:48 am
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 445 Location: Austin, Texas
According to the comprehensive rules book 4.0 Response entry:
Quote:
A special ability or event labeled with the word “Response:” indicates that you may perform that action whenever the trigger described in its game text happens.
You may respond more than once to the same situation.
A response action is not a phase action (because there is no “response phase”).
A response is a special ability. Therefore once the free people’s player has paid the costs of adding two threats and spotting the wizard, you cannot use any responses or other phase special abilities until the regroup phase.

In response to foresight the action has to complete before it can be responded to unless there is the trigger "is about to". The effect takes place but would later be canceled by final strike. Unfortunately, the effect of Perspective is such that it prevents the prevention.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:07 am
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Tsk tsk tsk. Cant even stop it now! Shame on you Bad card.
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JayPL
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:07 am
Joined: 15 Nov 2006 Posts: 62 Location: Far, far away
i’d tend to agree with MH but IMO with this card D created even more confusion Evil or Very Mad, not mentioning it is extremely OP for being Uncommon
Foresight
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:22 am
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 557 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Treachery and Deciet needs to be banned! (Or at least from tournament play so that in casual play if somebody uses those cards you can have fun seeing who can give the other the most broken/OP cards!...or not. Anxious )
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bobtheorc
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:35 am
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 1218 Location: Wow, its hot in Iowa
Of course there is the theory that all these spoilers are fake and that the real cards are much better and less OP.
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AgentDrake
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:46 am
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bobtheorc wrote:
Of course there is the theory that all these spoilers are fake and that the real cards are much better and less OP.


Don’t get our hopes up. D isn’t that cunning. At least, not anymore. Rolling Eyes
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bobtheorc
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:19 am
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 1218 Location: Wow, its hot in Iowa
Sadly you are probably right...sighs*
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corvus
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:17 pm
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 1696 Location: Roaming, but dangerous!!!
Merrick_Hale wrote:
According to the comprehensive rules book 4.0 Response entry:
Quote:
A special ability or event labeled with the word “Response:” indicates that you may perform that action whenever the trigger described in its game text happens.
You may respond more than once to the same situation.
A response action is not a phase action (because there is no “response phase”).
A response is a special ability. Therefore once the free people’s player has paid the costs of adding two threats and spotting the wizard, you cannot use any responses or other phase special abilities until the regroup phase.

In response to foresight the action has to complete before it can be responded to unless there is the trigger "is about to". The effect takes place but would later be canceled by final strike. Unfortunately, the effect of Perspective is such that it prevents the prevention.


Excuse me, but it is nowhere said that the maneuver action is performed completely. I’d rule totally differently. I thought of final strike as the only non-condition removal way to cancel this NPE effect. Don’t break that myth for me... Sad
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