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Who is Tom?
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| Glamdring |
![]() Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:38 pm |
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corvus wrote: I can certainly rule out the elf possibility, since he has a beard.
I forgot Tom had a beard.  He’s definately probably a spirit in my opinion. |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:32 pm |
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why do elves not have beards? I know why they live so long (they don’t smoke  ) |
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| BattleWarg |
![]() Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:58 pm |
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donimator wrote: I believe Tom is of the Ainur - one of the spirits that worked in the creation of the world, but is not a Valar. He may be a Maiar, but could simply be one of the ’servants and helpers’
The Silmarillion lastly wrote: Of the Maiar
With the Valar came other spirits whose being also began before the World, of the same order as the Valar but of less degree. These are the Maiar, the people of the Valar, and their servants and helpers. Their number is not known to the Elves, and few have names in any of the tongues of the Children of Ilúvatar; for though it is otherwise in Aman, in Middle-earth the Maiar have seldom appeared in form visible to Elves and Men.
A Maia or a lesser Ainur seems most likely and would fit with Tom’s limited (geographically) sphere of influence.
That could be, although if I’m remembering, the limits were self-imposed.
And while it looks like there’s some room for questions, but it sounds like the Maiar/Ainur came after the Valar - which would mean that Tom is not one.
Of course, if any came before, then Tom could well be one.
On a side note, didn’t Melkor have a female counterpart? |
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| NBarden |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:55 pm |
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| where is this? not that I am disagreeing with you. I haven’t read the appendices in a while. |
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| Celebrimbor |
![]() Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:54 pm |
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Quote: I believe Tom is of the Ainur - one of the spirits that worked in the creation of the world, but is not a Valar. He may be a Maiar, but could simply be one of the ’servants and helpers’
I’m pretty sure that The Ainur were Valar. Might be wrong, but know that Valar means "having great Authority" much like the Ainur. |
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| donimator |
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Celebrimbor wrote: Quote: I believe Tom is of the Ainur - one of the spirits that worked in the creation of the world, but is not a Valar. He may be a Maiar, but could simply be one of the ’servants and helpers’
I’m pretty sure that The Ainur were Valar. Might be wrong, but know that Valar means "having great Authority" much like the Ainur.
I think the Valar were of the Ainur, but the Ainur also included many unnamed spirits that played a part (Maiar, helpers, servants). It talks of many of these others not being known to the races of Middle Earth because they rarely revealed themselves in a form that could be perceived. I believe Tom is one of these exceptions - a lesser being of the Ainur that has chosen to reveal himself (to Frodo and company, anyway, although Elrond and Gandalf know of him). |
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I think we all can agree that Tolkien found inspiration for his book in the Bible. Allthough he refused to call it an allegory, I think certain things are obvious. To me, Tom occurs as someone like Melchizedek. For those who have no idea who he was:
"The meaning of the name Melchizedek is “King of Justice.” But since Salem means “peace,” he is also “King of Peace.” 3 We are not told that he had a father or mother or ancestors or beginning or end." Hebrews 7:3
Maybe I’m wrong, but maybe Tolkien liked the being of Melchizedek so much he just wanted someone like him in his book. |
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| Celebrimbor |
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Good inspiration. Everything (almost) throughout LOTR is very alleghorical.
Melchizedek In the Bible was supposed to be a pre-carnate form of Jesus.
I know this is really weird, could he be a form of Iluvatar himself?
Just laying out the possibilities, though I still think Tom is a Valar. |
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| BattleWarg |
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Celebrimbor wrote: I know this is really weird, could he be a form of Iluvatar himself?
BattleWarg wrote: Illuvatar?
J.R.R. Tolkien wrote: ’There is no embodiment of the One, of God, who indeed remains remote, outside the World, and only directly accessible to the Valar or Rulers.’
So... no.
So, it is possible if Tolkien lied, I suppose. |
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