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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:48 pm |
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Dain Ironfoot wrote:  I Will Take The Ring 
Event • Maneuver
To play, spot an Elf.
At any site 3, transfer The One Ring and all burdens to another eligible bearer.
At any other site, exert 2 Elves to heal the Ring-bearer and remove a burden.
“‘But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Húrin, and Túrin, and Beren himself were assembled together your seat should be among them.’”
I think this is FANTASTIC, but should be a Fellowship event. After all, that was how The Fellowship was born by Frodo taking the Ring. It could corrupt you, of course, but that’s life. Could the Ring be transfered to Sam if Frodo is still alive?
Dain Ironfoot wrote: • Hold To Your Purpose
Condition • Support Area
If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, each companion with the Frodo signet is Ring-bound.
“‘The Ring-bearer is setting out on the Quest of Mount Doom....May the blessings of Elves and Men and all Free Folk go with you.’”
I say to hell with balance - if a card is cool, you should make it, and this one’s definitely cool! No idea how balanced it actually is, but I don’t really care when it comes to cards like this!
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:55 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: Dain Ironfoot wrote: I Will Take The Ring
Event • Maneuver
To play, spot an Elf.
At any site 3, transfer The One Ring and all burdens to another eligible bearer.
At any other site, exert 2 Elves to heal the Ring-bearer and remove a burden.
“‘But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Húrin, and Túrin, and Beren himself were assembled together your seat should be among them.’”
I think this is FANTASTIC, but should be a Fellowship event. After all, that was how The Fellowship was born by Frodo taking the Ring. It could corrupt you, of course, but that’s life.
I understand your point entirely, but I did it this way so you can have a better idea who you might want to transfer it to based on what the Shadow player is setting up. I’m not outright opposed to moving it to fellowship, but I’ll wait and see what other reviewers say first.
Thranduil wrote: Could the Ring be transfered to Sam if Frodo is still alive?
No, because Frodo would still have the printed Ring-bearer, and Sam (once he had the Ring) would then ALSO have Ring-bearer, and having two Ring-bearers would break the game entirely. However, if Frodo were to be an "optional" Ring-bearer himself, you might be able to do that. Not sure about that scenario.  But I would still THINK the answer would be no, since most versions of Sam are technically not eligible unless Frodo dies. Sam, Bearer of Great Need is a whole different story, of course.  |
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:42 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote:
I Will Take The Ring
Event • Maneuver
To play, spot an Elf.
At any site 3, transfer The One Ring and all burdens to another eligible bearer.
At any other site, exert 2 Elves to heal the Ring-bearer and remove a burden.
“‘But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Húrin, and Túrin, and Beren himself were assembled together your seat should be among them.’”
cool! of course since nothing like this has ever been made, it could cost to much or too little...
• Hold To Your Purpose
Condition • Support Area
If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, each companion with the Frodo signet is Ring-bound.
“‘The Ring-bearer is setting out on the Quest of Mount Doom....May the blessings of Elves and Men and all Free Folk go with you.’”
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| BattleWarg |
![]() Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:46 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: I Will Take The Ring
Event • Maneuver
To play, spot an Elf.
At any site 3, transfer The One Ring and all burdens to another eligible bearer.
At any other site, exert 2 Elves to heal the Ring-bearer and remove a burden.
“‘But if you take it freely, I will say that your choice is right; and though all the mighty elf-friends of old, Hador, and Húrin, and Túrin, and Beren himself were assembled together your seat should be among them.’”
Hmm... Love the idea, and the site requirement makes sense. Let’s look at the second ability first...
Add and exert 2 Elves to heal the Ring-bearer and remove a burden. This might be a bit weak, although I’m not sure where to go with it. Possibly heal each Ring-bound companion? Although that might need a slightly higher cost...
Now for the key to the card...
First, I agree that this would probably work best as a fellowship event. As an event, I think it looks better without a to play requirement, and since the second ability requires an Elf (as you exert 2 of them), I’d say "At any site 3, spot an Elf to transfer The One Ring..."
Thinking on it, as I’ve done similar, I’d be tempted to say "and half the Ring-bearer’s burdens". Although this might require a redefining of burdens (I think that it might work to have the Ring-bearer’s burdens give -1 resistance to each companion, and each other companion’s burdens give -1 resistance to that companion, as I think it should have some effect).
The only real time this should cause a problem is when you have multiple copies at site 3, as you could transfer back and forth, or even through multiple if you have 3 to 5 ARBs.
As for Frodo/Sam, it would only work if Frodo was an optional RB, and would need a rule clarification for Sam (most likely), saying that if the Ring is transfered to him (when Frodo dies), either he can’t transfer it or he can, but he won’t be able to get it back (unless you have an ARB Frodo that comes into play afterwards, becomes RB and dies - makes for a sad story for Sam, though... Frodo dies twice on his watch).
Thinking on it, I do see your point for Maneuver phase, but I think it might fit better as fellowship. So, maybe only transfer half the burdens and make it fellowship phase?
DáinIronfoot wrote: • Hold To Your Purpose
Condition • Support Area
If Frodo is the Ring-bearer, each companion with the Frodo signet is Ring-bound.
“‘The Ring-bearer is setting out on the Quest of Mount Doom....May the blessings of Elves and Men and all Free Folk go with you.’”
Honestly, I think it’s balanced enough, and in fact, unless you have a condition that can give the Frodo Signet to companions from the Support Area (or Frodo), I think there’s enough advantages to being unbound that this may end up a drawback often enough.
Of course, my first thought was a Hobbit deck using this, and of course Aragorn/Boromir/Arwen could join Faramir’s Ring-bound Rangers...
I like it, but would have to see how the rest of Frodo signet works out... |
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:44 am |
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Okay, I made some changes to I Will Take The Ring. It now costs  instead of , and I made the wording changes BW recommended. However, I am keeping it at all burdens being transferred rather than half, because that makes it trickier to pull off with certain ARBs, plus it could get a little complicated if you use it multiple times; I’d have to add a lot of wording to make sure players couldn’t abuse the ability by playing multiple copies of the event and peeling off burdens each time. I DID change it to a fellowship event, as Thran and BW suggested, but I currently have it allowed in the maneuver phase as well. So...how does it look now? 
While you chew on that, here’s a couple cards that don’t change the way the game is played quite so drastically. They deal with tales, and that’s a theme where we’ll be spending a little time beyond just these cards. Enjoy!
 •The Great Council
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each Free Peoples culture you can spot.
Fellowship: Spot a companion and remove a token from here to play a tale of that companion’s culture from your draw deck.
Fellowship: Remove a token from here to reveal the top card of your draw deck, then heal a companion whose culture matches the revealed card.
“Much was said of events in the world outside, especially in the South, and in the wide lands east of the Mountains.”
The title "The Council of Elrond" was taken, so I had to settle for something else. It is referred to "The Great Council" at least once in the text of The Fellowship of the Ring, so it works. *shrug*
•The Tale of the Ring
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each burden you can spot.
Each time you play another tale, you may remove 2 tokens from here to remove a burden.
“For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.” |
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:56 pm; edited 2 times in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones
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![]() Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:09 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote:
• The Great Council
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each Free Peoples culture you can spot.
Fellowship: Spot a companion and remove a token from here to play a tale of that companion’s culture from your draw deck.
Fellowship: Remove a token from here to reveal the top card of your draw deck. Heal up to 2 companions whose culture matches the revealed card.
“Much was said of events in the world outside, especially in the South, and in the wide lands east of the Mountains.”
maybe add conditions here cannot be reinforced. otherwise that would be wicked healing with home and hearth etc.
• The Tale of the Ring
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each burden you can spot.
Each time you play another tale, you may remove 2 tokens from here to remove a burden.
“For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.”
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![]() Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:15 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote:
• The Great Council
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each Free Peoples culture you can spot.
Fellowship: Spot a companion and remove a token from here to play a tale of that companion’s culture from your draw deck.
Fellowship: Remove a token from here to reveal the top card of your draw deck. Heal up to 2 companions whose culture matches the revealed card.
“Much was said of events in the world outside, especially in the South, and in the wide lands east of the Mountains.”
huh, the second ability is identical to Must be a dream, just thought that interesting
The title "The Council of Elrond" was taken, so I had to settle for something else. It is referred to "The Great Council" at least once in the text of The Fellowship of the Ring, so it works. *shrug*
• The Tale of the Ring
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each burden you can spot.
Each time you play another tale, you may remove 2 tokens from here to remove a burden.
“For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.”
sweet! a burden removel elf card finally! |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: Okay, I made some changes to I Will Take The Ring. It now costs instead of , and I made the wording changes BW recommended. However, I am keeping it at all burdens being transferred rather than half, because that makes it trickier to pull off with certain ARBs, plus it could get a little complicated if you use it multiple times; I’d have to add a lot of wording to make sure players couldn’t abuse the ability by playing multiple copies of the event and peeling off burdens each time. I DID change it to a fellowship event, as Thran and BW suggested, but I currently have it allowed in the maneuver phase as well. So...how does it look now?
All good, but I preferred it at .
DáinIronfoot wrote: • The Great Council
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each Free Peoples culture you can spot.
Fellowship: Spot a companion and remove a token from here to play a tale of that companion’s culture from your draw deck.
Fellowship: Remove a token from here to reveal the top card of your draw deck. Heal up to 2 companions whose culture matches the revealed card.
“Much was said of events in the world outside, especially in the South, and in the wide lands east of the Mountains.”
I think it should heal only 1 companion, otherwise it could be seriously powerful. Nice card all round.
DáinIronfoot wrote: • The Tale of the Ring
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each burden you can spot.
Each time you play another tale, you may remove 2 tokens from here to remove a burden.
“For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.”
The title’s a bit too similar to tale of the great ring, and I’d consider taking it down to as you have to play a tale and remove 2 tokens. Good card.
And by the way, I think it’s funny you’ve started calling me ’Thran’!
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Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: Okay, I made some changes to I Will Take The Ring. It now costs instead of , and I made the wording changes BW recommended. However, I am keeping it at all burdens being transferred rather than half, because that makes it trickier to pull off with certain ARBs, plus it could get a little complicated if you use it multiple times; I’d have to add a lot of wording to make sure players couldn’t abuse the ability by playing multiple copies of the event and peeling off burdens each time. I DID change it to a fellowship event, as Thran and BW suggested, but I currently have it allowed in the maneuver phase as well. So...how does it look now?
All good, but I preferred it at .
I changed it because, as BW pointed out, the second ability seemed a little expensive when you have to exert 2 Elves AND add .
Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: • The Great Council
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each Free Peoples culture you can spot.
Fellowship: Spot a companion and remove a token from here to play a tale of that companion’s culture from your draw deck.
Fellowship: Remove a token from here to reveal the top card of your draw deck. Heal up to 2 companions whose culture matches the revealed card.
“Much was said of events in the world outside, especially in the South, and in the wide lands east of the Mountains.”
I think it should heal only 1 companion, otherwise it could be seriously powerful. Nice card all round.
I was going to squeeze in a line about not reinforcing tokens here, as SoP suggested, but I like your suggestion more.
And as Legoles noticed, I stole that second ability from Must Be A Dream. You caught me.
Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: • The Tale of the Ring
Condition • Support Area
Tale. To play, spot an Elf. When you play this condition, add an token here for each burden you can spot.
Each time you play another tale, you may remove 2 tokens from here to remove a burden.
“For it is a long tale, full of deeds great and terrible, and briefly though Elrond spoke, the sun rode up the sky, and the morning was passing ere he ceased.”
The title’s a bit too similar to tale of the great ring, and I’d consider taking it down to as you have to play a tale and remove 2 tokens. Good card.
Yeah, not sure what to do about the title. I pulled that straight from the text (as I do with most titles), but I’ll see if I can come up with something a little more unique.
Thranduil wrote: And by the way, I think it’s funny you’ve started calling me ’Thran’!
I was getting tired of typing the whole thing, is all. For most people, you can appreviate it, like AC or EL or SoP. But there’s not much you can do with Thranduil. So "Thran" works. |
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