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How playable is The Faithful Stone?
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| LunaticFringe |
![]() Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:08 pm |
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"Strong is a deck thats so good at killing or burdening the fellowship that it wins quite easily. Discard isnt. Its boring."
Strong is a deck that wins consistently. Dwarf/Ork discard wins consistently when properly built. That is strong, whether you think it’s boring to play with or against, or not. |
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| Gartax |
![]() Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:54 pm |
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I can’t belive that someone is currently defending Faifull stone......
this card is wrong in design and his so much of a NPE that it is not event funny
at least when i play a discard deck once in a while i can at least laught at my oponnent face, now if i play faitfull stone what fun would i have???
WOW no skirmish your are screw i win.......
what game is that
and by the way evil man often need a few skrimish to win the game
and for uruk only the new even you do not know fear i can is worth while for tempest of war need to have a skirmish to make it work and orc discard condition ( aside from orc commander who will always leave one copy out at least ) are unefficient and useless.... |
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| Foresight |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:39 am |
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The card needs errata. I feel that the errata listed in this post would be sufficient for The Faithful Stone. It’s unique, it requires you to work for your  tokens to be added on there, it can’t be reinforced with such cards as Guarded City for easy usage, and you have to discard it after you use it. I feel that’s best for this card. |
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| LeoKula |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:48 am |
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| CarpeGuitarrem |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:42 pm |
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Foresight wrote: The card needs errata. I feel that the errata listed in this post would be sufficient for The Faithful Stone. It’s unique, it requires you to work for your tokens to be added on there, it can’t be reinforced with such cards as Guarded City for easy usage, and you have to discard it after you use it. I feel that’s best for this card.
Agreed. Errata is all we need. Massive X-listing kills a host of new cards that would be just fine with a few tweaks. I despise mass X-ing. |
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| spartiatis |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:49 pm |
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| Guys, do not forget that this card is merely a condition and all shadow decks can pack some way to discard it. |
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| NBarden |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:52 pm |
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| LunaticFringe |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:39 pm |
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"I can’t belive that someone is currently defending Faifull stone......"
Discard is viable, to which has a single playable response- redundancy for fast setup. Meanwhile, each of the minion cultures has a specifically targeted out, all of them share an out, and TFS is more NPE than a Fellowship/Shadow combined discard? Please. Discard disrupts BOTH halves of a deck. TFS disrupts a shadow, and inconsistently at that.
"this card is wrong in design and his so much of a NPE that it is not event funny"
No more than concentrated discard. What part of laughing in someone’s face as you lock up both ends of his deck is any less NPE than playing a condition that his shadow should be carrying answers for?
"WOW no skirmish your are screw i win......."
WOW all your important cards are in the discard pile you are screwed I win...
But then, your opponent still has a Fellowship to run with against TFS.
"and by the way evil man often need a few skrimish to win the game "
By the way, no they don’t. Evil men archery consistently wins without skirmishing being necessary, and with the advent of Steward’s Tomb, it’s not even guaranteed a fellowship can survive through making a single sanctuary heal. Heck, they even have a stupid little threat generator in the form of Vengeful Wild Man that can either do more damage in the archery, or preload them for Dol Guldur to take off the conditions. And Dol Guldur is an action that can be repeated. It means TFS is trouble for one site. I’ll take not skirmishing for a turn- gives me extra vitality to make your little gnome statue disappear.
"tempest of war need to have a skirmish to make it work"
Shingle in a Storm, Mahur (Relentless Hunter), Lurtz (Halfling Hunter), and Barbaric Uruk can force skirmish. Shingle is reasonably splashable for Uruks given their resistance bonuses.
"orc discard condition ( aside from orc commander who will always leave one copy out at least ) are unefficient and useless...."
Are you nuts? Unreasonable Choice is one twilight, with a cancel for two. Storming the Ramparts is uncancellable and can be toiled down to zero. Dread and Despair is another free discard, in the shadow. How many times you think that Fellowship player wants to discard the top 6? What part of zero cost is inefficient? The fact that minions have to go into play first? Those minions are going to get to do damage since TFS goes to the discard pile.
Do you honestly think that even with four copies of TFS that a Gondor fellowship would be able to get around Forced March without any sort of resistance more than once? Four in play falls to Orc Raid Commander.
A card is hard to play against. So what? The metagame will resolve it in it’s natural course. Everybody complained about IB, and yet it didn’t win the monthly constructed tournaments. There are greater sources of NPE currently hampering this game than TFS that don’t get the hate and calls for errata because people "like" them. That’s crap. |
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| LunaticFringe |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:55 pm |
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"I feel that the errata listed in this post would be sufficient for The Faithful Stone"
Why would I exert a companion three times to have an openly discardable skirmish negation when I can exert that companion twice with IB to discard the minion outright? The errata you’ve made makes the card worthless because there are more answers in the shadow arsenal to conditions than there are to possessions. It’s a one of, it can’t be replenished, and to steal Gartax’s word, it’s "unefficient", when considering the cost of wound versus twilight. No one is going to take three wounds and have a shadow player take that sort of weapon away for free, leaving themselves with no chance for recovery. I’d pay an exertion in the manuver to remove the three tokens. The rest is too much to justify putting it in a deck. |
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| NBarden |
![]() Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:20 pm |
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