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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:33 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Anonymous Prodigy wrote:
I would go with FM’s suggestion for the text and only keep the last sentence in the lore. Smile

Your wish is my command! Very Happy

Dáin’s DC Duos #97

Now that we’ve seen what a beast Smaug can be in the shadow phase, let’s take a look at the archery phase. His fire-breathing can quite effectively toast the fellowship. Twisted Evil Enjoy!

1 Reckless In His Rage Orc
Event • Archery
Exert a Dragon or an Orc archer any number of times to either make the minion archery total +1 for each exertion or to make the fellowship archery total -2 for each exertion.
“Then down he swooped straight through the arrow-storm...taking no heed to turn his scaly sides towards his foes, seeking only to set their town ablaze.”

2 Terrific Flames Orc
Event • Archery
Spot a Dragon and remove X threats to make the minion archery total +X.
“...the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear.”
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:19 pm; edited 1 time in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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elf lvr
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:53 pm
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 3065 Location: Rivendell
DáinIronfoot wrote:
Anonymous Prodigy wrote:
I would go with FM’s suggestion for the text and only keep the last sentence in the lore. Smile

Your wish is my command! Very Happy

Dáin’s DC Duos #97

Now that we’ve seen what a beast Smaug can be in the shadow phase, let’s take a look at the archery phase. His fire-breathing can quite effectively toast the fellowship. Twisted Evil Enjoy!

1 Reckless In His Rage Orc
Event • Archery
Exert a Dragon or Orc archer any number of times to either make the minion archery total +1 for each exertion or to make the fellowship archery total -2 for each exertion.
“Then down he swooped straight through the arrow-storm...taking no heed to turn his scaly sides towards his foes, seeking only to set their town ablaze.”
The wording is a bit weird... but I can see why you did it this way. You couls just make it, "Exert X times to make the minion archery total +X or the fellowship archery total -X." But that would make it -1, not -2, for the fellowship... umm...

Okay, no more rambling. Nice card.


2 Terrific Flames Orc
Event • Archery
Spot a Dragon and remove X threats to make the minion archery total +X.
“...the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear.”
Cool, cool. But seems a bit counter-productive... you’ve got a dragon out, so chances are someone’s gonna die, but now you’re removing threats. Also, it doesn’t combo at all with the "+2 for each threat" Smaug. Not sure how I’d change it, though...
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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:57 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:

0 Further Vengeance To Take Orc
Event • Shadow
Search. You may add 1 to play this event during the maneuver or assignment phase.
Play a Dragon or Orc or Moria Orc from hand. Its twilight cost is -1 for each of the following Free Peoples races you can spot: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
If the minion played is Smaug, he is strength +1 until the regroup phase for each of the following races you can spot in the fellowship: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
“‘They shall see me and remember who is the real King under the Mountain!’”
search? is this an unloaded keyword?nice.

1Roar and Rumble of His Fury Orc
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot Smaug.
Shadow: Exert Smaug twice and remove (X) to discard X Free Peoples cards (except companions and allies). Discard this condition.
“He was breaking rocks to pieces, smashing wall and cliff with the lashings of his huge tail, till their little lofty camping ground, the scorched grass, the thrush’s stone, the snail-covered walls, the narrow ledge, and all disappeared in a jumble of smithereens, and an avalanche of splintered stones fell over the cliff into the valley below.”

ow major NPE. but since it is going to take a lot to play him, you might not have much twilight left. to much lore IMO
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"DáinIronfoot"
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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:59 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
DáinIronfoot wrote:

1 Reckless In His Rage Orc
Event • Archery
Exert a Dragon or Orc archer any number of times to either make the minion archery total +1 for each exertion or to make the fellowship archery total -2 for each exertion.
“Then down he swooped straight through the arrow-storm...taking no heed to turn his scaly sides towards his foes, seeking only to set their town ablaze.”
exert a dragon or an Orc archer... the way you have it right now I believe the dragon has to be an archer. you could make it algebraic, such as
Exert a Dragon or Orc archer X times to make the minion archery total +X or to make the fellowship archery total -2X for each exertion.


2 Terrific Flames Orc
Event • Archery
Spot a Dragon and remove X threats to make the minion archery total +X.
“...the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear.”

works for me
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"DáinIronfoot"
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:10 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
elf lvr wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Terrific Flames Orc
Event • Archery
Spot a Dragon and remove X threats to make the minion archery total +X.
“...the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear.”

Cool, cool. But seems a bit counter-productive... you’ve got a dragon out, so chances are someone’s gonna die, but now you’re removing threats. Also, it doesn’t combo at all with the "+2 for each threat" Smaug. Not sure how I’d change it, though...

But it combos oh so well with the other version. Twisted Evil

Should I reduce the cost, do you think? Or perhaps make it +2 for each threat removed?

sickofpalantirs wrote:
exert a dragon or an Orc archer... the way you have it right now I believe the dragon has to be an archer. you could make it algebraic, such as
Exert a Dragon or Orc archer X times to make the minion archery total +X or to make the fellowship archery total -2X for each exertion.

I actually thought of doing just that, but I think it would be more confusing than helpful, which is how I ended up with the current wording. I’ll fix the archer thing, though.

sickofpalantirs wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Further Vengeance To Take Orc
Event • Shadow
Search. You may add 1 to play this event during the maneuver or assignment phase.
Play a Dragon or Orc or Moria Orc from hand. Its twilight cost is -1 for each of the following Free Peoples races you can spot: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
If the minion played is Smaug, he is strength +1 until the regroup phase for each of the following races you can spot in the fellowship: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
“‘They shall see me and remember who is the real King under the Mountain!’”

search? is this an unloaded keyword?nice.

Ah, glad someone caught that.

Search is actually a very old keyword that was only around until The Two Towers, and completely disappeared after that. Use the advanced search feature (my my, what a pun Laughing) on the site and you’ll see it was pretty big in the FOTR and early TTT block. Not sure why Decipher completely scrapped it, but like several of their old keywords (weather, tracker, etc.), I see promise for it, so it comes back for one last hurrah in my sets. You won’t have to wait long to see some of its usefulness: Moria (our next culture) has several examples. Very Happy
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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:18 pm
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.
OH yeah I remember search now.
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Mouth of Saruman
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:19 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc
DáinIronfoot wrote:
14Smaug, Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities Orc
Minion • Dragon
Strength: 16
Vitality: 6
Site: 9
Damage +1. Fierce. Hunter 2.
Smaug’s twilight cost is -1 for each site you control.
Smaug may not take wounds during the archery phase (except from special abilities) and may not bear possessions.
Smaug is strength +2 for each threat you can spot (limit +6).
“‘My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!’”


Shocked

This guy can be a pure beat stick! With the new Uruk-hai site control/threat strategy, he’d be a great splash minion. The only thing I have to say is to reword the second line as: "For each site you control, Smaugh is twilight cost -1."


DáinIronfoot wrote:
15Smaug, Last of the Great Fire-drakes Orc
Minion • Dragon
Strength: 17
Vitality: 6
Site: 9
Damage +2.
Smaug’s twilight cost is -1 for each threat you spot and site you control (limit -Cool.
Smaug may not take wounds during the archery phase (except from special abilities) and may not bear possessions.
Archery: Exert Smaug to make the minion archery total +1 (limit +3).
“Fire leaped from the dragon’s jaws....the trees by the shores shone like copper and like blood with leaping shadows of dense black at their feet.”


Shocked

You like your Smaugs powerful, eh? Another good card. This guy is even better with the aforementioned Uruk-hai strategy. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Breeze From the Black East Orc
Event • Maneuver
Weather.
Spot no threats to play an Orc or [Goblin] minion and add two threats. Then, if you can spot a weather condition, add 2.
“...it was ominous and dreary even in the light of morning. Now it was lost and gone, blotted in the dark.”


Are you trying to splash Smaug into the Uruk-hai (Wink)? In Expanded, I could have this combined with A Fell Voice on the Air and Saruman, Agent of the Dark Lord to bring a beating to my opponent.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Desolation and a Dragon Orc
Event • Shadow
Play an Orc minion; its twilight cost is -1 for each Sauron card you can spot. The Free Peoples player may add 2 threats to prevent any cost reduction for that minion.
“‘The Dragon Sauron might use with terrible effect. Often I said to myself: ‘I must find some means of dealing with Smaug....We must disturb Sauron’s plans.’’”


With Smaug and roaming Sauron minions, you can’t lose on this one. You either reduce Smaug’s cost by spotting Sauron minions or the Free Peoples player adds two threats to reduce his cost by 2. Nifty. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
Lake-town 9
Site 8 [LA]
River. Dwelling. The roaming penalty for each minion is -2.


I’m not an expert on the old school site path, but this seems an excellent card. GP

DáinIronfoot wrote:
Smaug’s Lair 8
Site 9 [LA]
Underground. Shadow: Remove a threat to play Smaug from your draw deck or hand; Smaug’s twilight cost is -5.


Reword the second half of the ability to say: "...he is twilight cost -5."

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Came From The North Orc
Event • Shadow
Spot a Dwarf or Man and remove a threat to play an Orc or Moria minion from your draw deck.
“‘The first we heard of it was a noise like a hurricane coming from the North, and the pine-trees on the Mountain creaking and cracking in the wind.’”


Nice, though I’m tempted to say that you lower the twilight cost to 0 or give it a toil 1.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
3 The Gathering of the Clouds Orc
Event • Maneuver
Weather.
Exert a Dragon or Moria Orc to make the Free Peoples player choose to either add 2 burdens or 2 threats.
“Still more suddenly a darkness came on with dreadful swiftness! A black cloud hurried over the sky. Winter thunder on a wild wind rolled roaring up and rumbled in the Mountain, and lightning lit its peak.”


Nice card. Add "a" before the Moria Orc bit. Also, by the way you’ve set up Smaug, burdens are out of place. Maybe exert two companions instead?

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Threat Of Oncoming Winter Orc
Condition • Support Area
Weather. To play, exert an Orc minion.
Each time the fellowship moves from a sanctuary, dwelling, or underground site, you may remove X threats to exert X companions.
Maneuver: Play a weather event from your draw deck. Discard this condition.
“A bitter easterly breeze blew....It swirled over and round the arms of the Mountain into the valley, and sighed among the rocks. After their long time in the stewing depths of the dragon-haunted caverns, they shivered in the sun.”


Ouch! Yet another good card with the Uruk-hai/Saruman strategy.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 Brooding Orc
Condition
Resistance: -2
To play, exert 2 Orc minions (or exert Smaug once).
Bearer must be an unbound companion. Limit 1 per bearer. Bearer is damage -1 (to a minimum of 0) and, if bearer is a Dwarf, strength -1.
Discard this condition if you can spot 2 other companions of bearer’s race.
“...the armies were dispersed and the alliances broken and the axes of his people were few; and a great Anger without hope burned him, as he smote the red iron on the anvil.”


Resistance doesn’t seem up Smaug’s alley. Maybe strength -1 and resistance -1 instead?

DáinIronfoot wrote:
4 Dragon-spell Orc
Event • Response
Search. Toil 2.
If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, spot a Dragon to add a burden for each threat you can spot (limit 3).
“Whenever Smaug’s roving eye, seeking for him in the shadows, flashed across him, he trembled, and an unaccountable desire seized hold of him to rush out and reveal himself and tell all the truth to Smaug.”


Ouch! I’d make it a spell as well.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
3 The Devastation of Dale Orc
Event • Assignment
Toil 1.
Assign an minion to an unbound Man. If that Man has resistance less than 4, you may exert a Man.
“‘Later he used to crawl out of the Great Gate and come by night to Dale, and carry away people, especially maidens, to eat, until Dale was ruined, and all the people dead or gone.’”


Now burdens and resistance seem to fit Smaug. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 We Can Do Nothing
Event • Skirmish
Make a companion skirmishing an Orc minion strength -2 (or -3 if that companion has resistance 2 or less).
“‘They will be slain, and all our ponies too, and all our stores lost....’”


Nice bonus for Orc corruption. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
0 [b]Further Vengeance To Take Orc
Event • Shadow
Search. You may add 1 to play this event during the maneuver or assignment phase.
Play a Dragon or Orc or Moria Orc from hand. Its twilight cost is -1 for each of the following Free Peoples races you can spot: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
If the minion played is Smaug, he is strength +1 until the regroup phase for each of the following races you can spot in the fellowship: Dwarf, Hobbit, Man.
“‘They shall see me and remember who is the real King under the Mountain!’”


Interesting. The wording is a little foggy. Perhaps: "Play a Dragon or an Orc Orc or a Moria Orc..." This seems more clear than the previous wording, though perhaps a bit wordy.

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1Roar and Rumble of His Fury Orc
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot Smaug.
Shadow: Exert Smaug twice and remove (X) to discard X Free Peoples cards (except companions and allies). Discard this condition.
“He was breaking rocks to pieces, smashing wall and cliff with the lashings of his huge tail, till their little lofty camping ground, the scorched grass, the thrush’s stone, the snail-covered walls, the narrow ledge, and all disappeared in a jumble of smithereens, and an avalanche of splintered stones fell over the cliff into the valley below.”


Nice. Very Happy

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Reckless In His Rage Orc
Event • Archery
Exert a Dragon or Orc archer any number of times to either make the minion archery total +1 for each exertion or to make the fellowship archery total -2 for each exertion.
“Then down he swooped straight through the arrow-storm...taking no heed to turn his scaly sides towards his foes, seeking only to set their town ablaze.”


Perhaps it would best be worded as "Exert a Dragon or an Orc archer..." This would be nice addition to the Orc archery I created in Ambush at Amon Hen. Smile

DáinIronfoot wrote:
2 Terrific Flames Orc
Event • Archery
Spot a Dragon and remove X threats to make the minion archery total +X.
“...the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear.”


All I can say is...Shocked...not really a word, but definitely a VERY good card. Smaug gets twilight reduction from all of those threats, then removes them to demolish your opponent’s companions.
DáinIronfoot
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:52 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
I made several changes you recommended, MoS. Thanks! GP One specific comment:

Mouth of Saruman wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
4 Dragon-spell Orc
Event • Response
Search. Toil 2.
If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, spot a Dragon to add a burden for each threat you can spot (limit 3).
“Whenever Smaug’s roving eye, seeking for him in the shadows, flashed across him, he trembled, and an unaccountable desire seized hold of him to rush out and reveal himself and tell all the truth to Smaug.”

Ouch! I’d make it a spell as well.

I thought about that, but I’m reluctant to throw the keyword spell around too freely. I think it should be reserved for Wizards and other truly magical spells.

I dunno, though. What’s someone else’s take on this?
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
DáinIronfoot
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:22 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
I thought about holding off on any more cards until tomorrow, but I decided that one more Duo today would mean we’re that much closer to #100. Very Happy

By the way, we’re almost done with Smaug already. Two more Duos (including the one below) and we’re through. That was fast, huh?

Dáin’s DC Duos #98

1 Dragon-fire Orc
Condition
Bearer must be a Dragon. Limit 1 per bearer.
Bearer is an archer.
Archery: Exert bearer and discard this condition to make the minion archery total +2.
“Soon he would set all the shoreland woods ablaze and wither every field and pasture.”

2 Weapons Were Flung Down Orc
Event • Skirmish
Play at the start of a skirmish involving your Orc minion. If that minion wins that skirmish, remove a threat to discard all weapons borne by a companion in that skirmish.
“Already men were jumping into the water on every side....”
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:10 pm; edited 1 time in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
Mouth of Saruman
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:25 pm
Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc
DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Dragon-fire Orc
Condition
Bearer must be a Dragon. Limit 1 per bearer.
Bearer is an archer.
Archery: Exert bearer and discard this condition to make the minion archery total +2.
“Soon he would set all the shoreland woods ablaze and wither every field and pasture.”


Ouch time. Shocked

DáinIronfoot wrote:
1 Weapons Were Flung Down Orc
Event • Skirmish
Play at the start of a skirmish involving your Orc minion. If that minion wins that skirmish, remove a threat to discard all weapons borne by a companion in that skirmish.
“Already men were jumping into the water on every side....”


A little off on the wording. Just make it a response event that says: "If your Dragon wins a skirmish..." That’d be much better. Awesome cards, though has there ever been a time when they weren’t amazing? Wink

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