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sickofpalantirs
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:51 pm
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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:01 pm
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I’m bored of those guys for a bit, so let’s take a little (weird) interlude.

These first two have 2 different versions of them, one in Elven and the other in Sauron cultures, but their texts are the same. See what you think of them:

0 Lesser Ring Elven
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -1
To play, spot an Elven or Sauron card.
Bearer must be a unique character.

0 Ring of Power Elven
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -2
To play, spot a Sauron or Elven card.
Bearer must be a unique character.
Each time bearer is about to take a wound in a skirmish, his or her owner may discard the top 2 cards of their draw deck to prevent that wound.

So you can play them on minions for boosts or companions to reduce their resistance, and of course manipulate them with this card:

0 • The Master Ring Sauron
Artifact • Ring
Legendary.
To play, spot 2 Sauron cards.
Plays to your support area.
Assignment: Assign a character (except the Ring-bearer) bearing a ring to another character (except the Ring-bearer). The Free Peoples player may add a burden to prevent this and assign those characters.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, discard this artifact to add a burden.

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:06 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
0 Lesser Ring Elven/Sauron
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -1
Bearer must be a unique character.

0 Ring of Power Elven/Sauron
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Vit: +1
Res: -2
To play, spot a Sauron or Elven card.
Bearer must be a unique character.

The biggest problem I see is that they are far more helpful for Shadow, since there is no drawback for them (since minions obviously have no resistance). I also think the easy vitality bonus of the latter one could be broken in many, many ways. I just think the idea, while interesting, is just too hard to pull off. Sorry, dude.

Thranduil wrote:
0 • The Master Ring Sauron
Artifact • Ring
Legendary.
Plays to your support area.
Assignment: Assign a character (except the Ring-bearer) bearing a ring to another character (except the Ring-bearer). The Free Peoples player may add a burden to prevent this and assign those characters.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, discard this artifact to add a burden.

No cultural enforcement = very bad. Put some in, and I think I’d be happier with it.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:11 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
The biggest problem I see is that they are far more helpful for Shadow, since there is no drawback for them (since minions obviously have no resistance).

I knew that, but I figured with such minor bonuses it didn’t matter. And the many ways of manipulating people bearing rings that I certainly plan to make I felt made playing them on companions a seriously viable option. Do you think they should just play on companions then?

DáinIronfoot wrote:
I also think the easy vitality bonus of the latter one could be broken in many, many ways.

I’ve taken it away from minions. For companions, I don’t think it’s such an issue because it reduces resistance and requires the Elven culture anyway. Maybe it could be unique?

DáinIronfoot wrote:
No cultural enforcement = very bad. Put some in, and I think I’d be happier with it.

Yeah, sorry didn’t think about that much. Done. But do you like the idea?

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:17 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Still uncomfortable with the other rings (at least the latter one), but I’ll withhold further comment for now.

Thranduil wrote:
0 • The Master Ring Sauron
Artifact • Ring
Legendary.
To play, spot 2 Sauron cards.
Plays to your support area.
Assignment: Assign a character (except the Ring-bearer) bearing a ring to another character (except the Ring-bearer). The Free Peoples player may add a burden to prevent this and assign those characters.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, discard this artifact to add a burden.

Better. I think the assignment ability should end with an "instead", but it may not be necessary. You could easily build a deck around this card...although it requires some help from the FP player, of course. I think this is fine now.
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:18 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
Better. I think the assignment ability should end with an "instead", but it may not be necessary. You could easily build a deck around this card...although it requires some help from the FP player, of course.

Which is why I wanted Sauron to be able to hand out rings to people’s companions. That is after all what he does with the Nine (and by some accounts, the Seven).

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:25 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
DáinIronfoot wrote:
Better. I think the assignment ability should end with an "instead", but it may not be necessary. You could easily build a deck around this card...although it requires some help from the FP player, of course.

Which is why I wanted Sauron to be able to hand out rings to people’s companions. That is after all what he does with the Nine (and by some accounts, the Seven).

Yeah, I can understand that. Think I’m okay with the Lesser Ring, but the vitality bonus of the Ring of Power really concerns me. If you could figure out some other benefit for it to afford instead (damage, Ring-bound, even conditional healing), I’d be much happier. I think the concept is sound enough now that I’ve thought more about it, but I’m just worried about that vitality.

Another troubling notion is playing these on the Ring-bearer. One thing Big D got right all the way to the end way being careful about playing permanent resistance reducers on the Ring-bearer. Playing the Ring of Power on the Ring-bearer, for example, could be very unfair with any halfway-decent corruption strategy. Like, say, with your The Master Ring.
Last edited by DáinIronfoot on Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:28 pm; edited 1 time in totalBest regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

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Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:28 pm
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I just wanted something to represent the effect of long life that the Rings of Power have. Think

Thranduil
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DáinIronfoot
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:31 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA
Thranduil wrote:
I just wanted something to represent the effect of long life that the Rings of Power have. Think

I know, and it makes perfect sense story-wise. Game-wise, however.... Allowing Elves to deal out vitality so easily just makes me wonder how long it would take someone like NBarden to break it very, very badly. Probably not long.

I think if you had a ring that ONLY the Shadow player could play on companions that gave a vitality bonus, that would be okay. After all, if the FP player then uses that to their advantage, it’s not like the Shadow player could cry foul. Smile
Best regards, Dáin, Vice Aftokrator of the Chosen Ones

Check out Lasting Alliances, The Road Ahead, and Ages of Middle-earth, three of my five dream card sets that make up Wars of the Ring. Oh, and I have a trade list now!

Also, if you're into DCs or RPGs (or even if you're not!), check out Realms of Middle-earth, the sequel to CG's "DC Adventure", Realms of the North!
Thranduil
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:33 pm
Joined: 01 May 2007 Posts: 2256 Location:
I have replaced the original with a tentative alternative. Good?

Thranduil
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