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Anonymous Prodigy

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:30 pm

Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 4197 Location: United States

I vote for mm. Thumbs Up

I had to put something here.

DáinIronfoot

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:39 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

Wow. Two excellent cards. This is going to be tough. Let’s get started....

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BattleWarg

•Cirdan, Counselor of the Wise Elven

Companion • Elf
7 Strength
4 Vitality
6 Resistance
To play, spot an Elf. Each time an Elven

companion is put into the dead pile, remove a threat.
Fellowship: Exert Cirdan to play an Elf or a Wizard; its twilight cost is -2.
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Stats are consistent with what we’ve seen of Cirdan. Spotting requirement is one less Elf than Cirdan, The Shipwright, so the abilities should be a tad weaker, too.

First ability is okay. Nothing ground-breaking, almost underpowered, but a nice bonus and good compliment to his second ability, which is quite good. Very, VERY good, in fact. I like how it creates a somewhat-unique Wizard/Elf pairing, which is good for a card focused on the White Council. I’m just not sure if it’s overpowered or not. I think two exertions would have been perfect. As is, it’s a little questionable to me. I’m leaning towards balanced, though, since it can only work with companions you already have in your hand.

Oh, and I like the lore. Smile

Overall: good card. I’d use him.

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Macheteman

•Cirdan, Counselor of the Wise Elven

Companion • Elf
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
To play, spot 2 elves or a Wizard.
Each time an event is played during a skirmish involving Cirdan, you may exert him to make a minion he is skirmishing strength -X where X is the twilight cost of that event.

Similar stats and spotting requirements to Cirdan, The Shipwright, except it adds in a Wizard, which is good.

The ability is very similar to that found on The Shipwright, though different enough to be very cool. I think it’s hurt a bit by the fact that very few Elven

events cost even

, and none cost more than that. So this mostly be relying on Shadow skirmish events. Still good in that regard, but a little less powerful than it initially appears.

Nutshell: ALSO a good card.

This is a very difficult decision. Bravo to you both for making such good cards. I want to vote for you both, but I can’t. So I think I’ll have to go with...BattleWarg. Perhaps the text does need a LITTLE cleaning up, as NB said, but it’s still an awesome card, and I applaud you for doing something completely new and different with him.

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NBarden

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:53 pm

Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 5468 Location: I don't know...

I think it’s hurt a bit by the fact that very few Elven

events cost even

, and none cost more than that. So this mostly be relying on Shadow skirmish events.[/quote]

Eh...wha? Still Needed is the most popular Elven

skirmish event in the game!

And Attunement is a staple for a Still Needed combo, the most powerful elf combo in the game! Not to mention that it gives bonuses to cards such as Sword-Wall, other than the non-strength ability.

Oh yeah, then there are cards like Kindreds Estranged and cards to build a deck around like Spring forth Nimbly.

Pair it with the twin brothers broken and....?

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DáinIronfoot

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:02 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

I think you misunderstood. My point wasn’t that the

-cost

skirmish events weren’t any good...quite the contrary, as you pointed out. My point was instead that Elven

skirmish events will give a max of -2 in the ability, so for really big strength reductions like what Cirdan, The Shipwright is capable of, the FP player will either need to use a LOT of Elven

skirmish events or rely on Shadow skirmish events. That’s all.

Can the ability still give a really big strength reduction? Sure. But The Shipwright’s is more reliable, in my opinion. Especially later in the game.

AnxiousChieftain

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:10 pm

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 3947 Location: Maryland

BW gets my vote, since (as Dain said) if you’re going to go the route of Elvents then you had might as well use Cirdan, The Shipwright.

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macheteman

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:30 pm

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 1200 Location: The Jungle

check out servant of the secret fire.

that and one exertion gives a minion strength -6 and you don’t have to wait until the events pile-up in your discard pile.

plus it is perfectly in tune to the style of the contest.

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DáinIronfoot

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:34 pm

Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 4594 Location: Beltsville, MD, USA

macheteman wrote:

check out servant of the secret fire.

that and one exertion gives a minion strength -6 and you don’t have to wait until the events pile-up in your discard pile.

Actually, that plus one exertion only gives -4. That and THREE exertions (which Cirdan is perfectly capable of) gives -6, yes. Pretty cool combo.

macheteman wrote:

plus it is perfectly in tune to the style of the contest.

Wholeheartedly agreed.

mm, you made a very good card. With some proper planning, he could be a beast and people would forget all about Cirdan, The Shipwright. But somebody had to get my vote.

Sorry, man. Please don’t take it personally. Like I said, I wish I could have voted for you both. Confused

macheteman

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:40 pm

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 1200 Location: The Jungle

yeah, i just realized it was twilight cost 1.

and i’m not taking it personally.

i respect your vote for BW, i just don’t think that this Cirdan is as inferior to the shipwrite as it may seem.

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sickofpalantirs

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:53 pm

Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 7750 Location: somwhere, over the rainbow way up high. There's a land that I heard of once in a lullaby.

interesting cards. I am going to with BW.

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Mouth of Saruman

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:09 pm

Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 190 Location: Orthanc

Two very interesting cards, but macheteman seems to have captured what is typical and fitting of the Elven

culture in a new way. This was a very close decision, however; I congratulate both of you on cards well done. Good luck!

I vote macheteman. Smile

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