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| bobtheorc |
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| TheJord |
![]() Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:04 pm |
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Whilst I have not heard an exact ruling on this, I assume its the same as the ruling for Terrible and Evil where you cannot exert 0 times to wound a Nazgul once. I would assume that means X can never equal zero, as in this case.
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| corvus |
![]() Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:09 pm |
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The CRD clearly states that a character who must exert X times cannot exert 0 times as X. I have seen no other ruling concerning X as a zero so i would rule that you can. Come on, it’s pretty logic, Grond can discard anything but 0 twlight cards?  |
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| Felipe Musco |
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Thing is, you cannot "exert 0 times", since exerting DOES demand placing a wound token. However, mind you, Grond it’s different from the event. The event DEMANDS an exertion, with the Nazgul part being an added bonus, while Grond demands discarding a minion (or itself) as a drawback, not as part of the activation cost itself. Also, there ARE possessions with a cost of 0, so as far as I’m concerned, you SHOULD be able to remove 0 tokens, but wait for a rules advisor to confirm it.
PS: Dwarven rings are Artifacts, and unless the rules changed, artifacts cannot be discarded by normal means (meanin a card that discards the appropriate type of possession), so Grond would not be able to discard a Ring of Fury. |
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| AnxiousChieftain |
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Yes, you can remove 0 tokens and discard a  minion to discard a 0-cost card.
FM: Artifacts can be discarded by Grond, because it discards any Free Peoples card (except companions), and there is no rule that says that Shadow cards cannot discard artifacts. |
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| sickofpalantirs |
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| Merrick_Hale |
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AC is correct:
0 cost free peoples’ cards (including artifacts) can be discarded by Grond, Hammer of the Underworld by removing 0 tokens from Grond and discarding a minion from play. |
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| AnxiousChieftain |
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| Also keep in mind that you can discard Grond to use its ability, meaning that if you need a way to get rid of a 0-cost card then you can splash it into any deck. |
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| BattleWarg |
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On a semi-related note, if a card that qualifies has text such as: "While you can spot 2  Knights, this card’s twilight cost is -2."
Assuming it is a 3 cost card, if you can spot 2 Knights, do you remove 1 token or 3 tokens to discard it? (I can’t find an example that it would apply to, but still...) |
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| corvus |
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Card texts that affect another card’s twilight cost, ONLY affect that twilight cost when the card comes into play. We learned the hard way that Elrohir and Elladan don’t give a 2 twilight gap in the starting fellowship.
Thus, you use the twilight, AKA what is printed on the card. |
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