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| Hobbiton Lad |
![]() Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:14 am |
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I think this card is probably better off as an event. The benefit you get from exerting companions is somewhat offset by the fact that you have to hold this the card in your hand, rather than having the luxury of playing it as a condition.
The real crux of any good weather strategy, IMHO, is going to be A Fell Voice on the Air. This condition is going to allow you to use Saruman to recycle your weather conditions.
Yes, these strategies might seem a bit strong. But any sort of condition removal is going to completely hose it. And last time I checked, most fellowship run some method of condition removal. So it’s give and take in my opinion.
I’ll vote later this afternoon. |
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:28 am |
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Hey HL, you might want to edit your post, i know its sometimes tempting to defend your card but its supposed to be anonymous so highlighting a feature such as your are doing about ur entry kinda ruins that! 
Most people wont have seen it so quickly!!  |
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| DáinIronfoot |
![]() Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:43 am |
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Thranduil wrote: Just a point: in this round, I encouraged high power levels on that basis that weather strategies are so terrible already.
I know I designed mine from that point of view. And as HL said, condition discarding trashes weather stuff.
I’ll vote later, BTW. Gotta think on these some more first. |
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| lem0nhead |
![]() Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:52 am |
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Im sure just cos there are cards out there that discard conditions doesnt mean you can create broken conditions "just in case" someone has a seclusion or two in their deck or every condition would be OP!
Say you DONT face elves or gandalf say u face gondor or hobbits. Theyre screwed with 75% of those cards! |
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| CarpeGuitarrem |
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| Hobbiton Lad |
![]() Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:02 pm |
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:13 am |
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Sorry, I should have said the voting ends on Monday 25th, so if you don’t want a PM from me reminding you to do so, I suggest you vote before the end of Sunday!
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| sickofpalantirs |
![]() Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:36 pm |
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| Anvar |
![]() Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:05 pm |
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Having actually built and played a Weather deck, I think it has a few issues. The deck really relies on having Saruman to exert and play the Weather cards. There aren’t any other minions that really work well with the Weather theme (Uruk Messenger may get stronger but he can’t exert to play any of the cards - and they all require exertions). Another issue is that all decent Weather conditions (discounting Urgency which is rubbish) are discarded at the end of the turn, and most reasonable Weather cards are actually the Weather events (the decent conditions are Wizard Storm and Saruman’s Snows which is X-listed). Finally, most Weather cards are incredibly situational and can be very hard to cycle.
#1 Hand clog. Doesn’t deliver a killing blow, and would get stuck in your hand while you try to find some decent conditions to play in the same turn.
#2 Like the tie-in with mountains but this really needed to be a weather card itself so that it could combo if you get more than one card in hand. Would this make Weather decks viable? Not really, just allow you to actually win a fight or two.
#3
 No Ordinary Storm (V) 
Condition
Weather
To play, spot Saruman (or 2 weather cards.) Plays on a site.
When the fellowship moves from this site, you may discard this condition to wound each unbound companion.
"So Gandalf...you try to lead them over caradhras, and if that fails--where will you go?"
1 V 130
Makes a deadly combo with Wizard Storm. I like the fact that it doesn’t need a minion to play, though without Urgency it effectively does. Very powerful but perhaps too much of a step above Wizard storm.
#4
No Ordinary Storm (V)
Condition
Plays to your support area.
Skirmish: Exert an minion to make a companion (except the Ring-bearer) strength -1 for each weather condition you can spot.
"So Gandalf... you try to lead them over Caradhras. And if that fails, where then will you go?"
1 V 130
There is only one Weather card that sticks around, and all cards require exertions to play. I love this card and it would make Weather decks much more powerful, giving some power to each card you play.
#5
Too high a cost for not enough benefit. Once you exert Saruman twice, how many other weather cards will you be able to play? And will the FP player really bother playing cards? Most of the time he can just beat Saruman straight up.
#6
Good combo of playability and smoothing deck cycling.
#7
No Ordinary Storm (V)
Condition
Spell. Weather. To play, exert an minion (or spot Saruman). Plays to your support area.
When you play this condition, spot a race. Each time you play another weather card, you may exert a companion or ally of that race.
“‘He does not love Elves and Dwarves, and that drift was laid to cut off our escape.’”
1 V 130
My only worry with this card is memory, keeping track of which race you have chosen. Once you play multiple copies that could get quite confusing. On the other hand this is a sensible clean up of the original, following the same basic idea with much more versatile power.
#8
No Ordinary Storm (V)
Condition
Weather.
Plays to your support area.
Each time you play another weather card, you may exert an Wizard (or spot 2 Wizards) to make the Free Peoples player exert a companion.
"’So Gandalf... you try to lead them over Caradhras. And if that fails - where then will you go?’"
1 V 130
Requiring exertions of Wizards is a steep cost which balances this card out. I like the fact that you can get the benefit of multiple Shadow wizards, though in practice, the conditions will rarely be minions while you are actually playing Weather cards.
#9
The only decent Weather condition is Wizard Storm, and it’s the one you don’t want to discard in the regroup phase. It gives some use to otherwise useless cards like Saruman’s Chill but I don’t think it gives enough.
#10
No Ordinary Storm (V)
Condition
Plays to your support area.
Shadow: Play a weather condition to place an token on this card.
Maneuver: Transfer this condition from your support area to the fellowship’s current site. When the fellowship moves from this site, the Free Peoples player must exert a companion for each token here.
"’So Gandalf... you try to lead the over Caradhras. And if that fails - where then will you go?’"
1 V 130
Nice balance of power and old school playing on a site mechanics. I actually don’t think this card is powerful enough. It just acts as a late game Wizard Storm. Sometimes more sometimes less, but Weather already does this.
#11 Too much text makes this very hard to follow. In the end, it might prevent a deck double moving but doesn’t add that much in terms of versatility.
#12
No Ordinary Storm (V)
Condition
Plays to your support area.
Shadow: Exert a minion to play a weather card stacked here as if from hand.
Shadow: Remove to stack a weather card from hand here.
Regroup: Spot X cards stacked here to take X cards into hand from your discard pile (limit 3). Discard this condition.
"It’s Saruman!"
1 V 130[/quote]
Good solution to hand clog, though an exertion is a huge cost in a weather deck. It adds cycling but not much more in the way of power. Still, I like the card. I’d like it better if it was a Weather card, and if the first cost was exert a minion or spot saruman.
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| Thranduil |
![]() Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:00 pm |
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1) #4
2) #6
3) #2
I’ve sent a PM to contestants who have yet to vote as well. Remember voting deadline’s tomorrow.
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