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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:36 pm |
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Well I decided that the other thread was getting a bit overcrowded with ideas, so I’ve left it over to FP cards and brought the Shadow cards over here.
I have about 5/6 copies of Sauron planned, and just for completeness I’m reposting those which you’ve already seen. So this first one is Sauron trying to be nice and tricking the Elves into forging the Rings of Power.
• Annatar, Lord of Gifts (Free Peoples)
Companion • Maia
Str: 7
Vit: 4
Res: 0
Enduring 1.
To play, spot 3 companions of the same culture and play an artifact of that culture from your draw deck.
Annatar’s resistance cannot be modified.
Skirmish: Exert Annatar and spot a character bearing an artifact to make that character strength +2. While you can spot 4 burdens, the first Shadow player may also use this ability.
... his hue was still that of one both fair and wise.
Now this next one is his persona as he manipulates these rings of power and hands them out to people to be corrupted and to do his bidding, like the Nazgul. This one is specifically meant to work with the rings below, but also nice for kitting out your Ringwraiths.
• Sauron, The Deceiver
Minion • Maia
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Sit: 2
Enduring 1.
When you play Sauron, you may play a ring from your draw deck.
While in region 1, Sauron cannot be assigned to a skirmish.
Each companion bearing a ring is strength -2 and cannot be assigned to skirmish Sauron.
But Sauron gathered into his hands all the remaining Rings of Power; and he dealt them out to the other peoples of Middle-earth, hoping thus to bring under his sway all those that desired secret power beyond the measure of their kind.
These following are two cards that also appear with identical text in the culture. I know I had a bit of controversy about these before. Any new thoughts? Is it too good for minions and not good enough for companions?
Lesser Ring
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -1
To play, spot an or card.
Bearer must be a unique character (except the Ring-bearer).
... all those rings that he governed he perverted, the more easily since he had a part in their making, and they were accursed...
Ring of Power
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -2
To play, spot a or card.
Bearer must be a unique character (except the Ring-bearer).
Each time bearer is about to take a wound in a skirmish, his or her owner may discard the top 2 cards of their draw deck to prevent that wound.
... they betrayed in the end all those that used them.
This next card is an artifact version of The One Ring which, although Sauron cannot bear, helps you to take advantage of those rings you put on your opponent’s companions, or rings they decided to put on themselves, whichever works for you!
• The Master Ring
Artifact • Ring
Legendary .
To play, spot 2 cards.
Plays to your support area.
Assignment: Assign a character bearing a ring to another character (except the Ring-bearer). The Free Peoples player may add a burden to prevent this and assign those characters.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, discard this artifact to add a burden.
And now for a fun new Sauron:
![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) • Sauron, The Terrible
Minion • Maia
Str: 24
Vit: 5
Sit: 6
Fierce. Damage +1. Terror 1. Bloodlust 1. Enduring 1.
Sauron’s twilight cost is -2 for each legendary card you can spot.
... he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it...
And a brief reminder:
Terror X - (Each time this character is assigned to skirmish an opponent’s character, you may make that opponent exert X of their characters)
Enduring X - (For each wound on this character, they are strength +X)
Bloodlust X - (For each wound on each character this character is skirmishing, they are strength +X)
Legendary [X] - (When this card is discarded, it goes to the dead pile. In order to discard this card, an opponent must add [X] (FP) or remove [X] (Shadow) in addition to any other costs).
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:50 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) • The Master Ring
Artifact • Ring
Legendary.
To play, spot 2 ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) cards.
Plays to your support area.
Assignment: Assign a character (except the Ring-bearer) bearing a ring to another character (except the Ring-bearer). The Free Peoples player may add a burden to prevent this and assign those characters.
Response: If the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring, discard this artifact to add a burden.
coolio! I would get rid of the first except the RB. if the freeps player wants to put rings on his RB,. make him pay for it IMSO. its culturally enforced, so they could still run em vs. other decks.
![1](images/smiles/1-twilight.gif) ![8](images/smiles/8-twilight.gif) • Sauron, The Terrible
Minion • Maia
Str: 24
Vit: 5
Sit: 6
Legendary. Fierce. Damage +1. Terror 1. Bloodlust 1. Enduring 1.
Sauron’s twilight cost is -2 for each legendary card you can spot.
... he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it...
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wow...lots of keywords. because of all those keywords, and the killer ability I would make him cost 20. Right now I see no way, playing against a freeps ring deck that you couldn’t play him for 8. 10 is a little better. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:10 am |
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Thranduil wrote:
![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) ![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) • Sauron, The Terrible
Minion • Maia
Str: 24
Vit: 5
Sit: 6
Legendary. Fierce. Damage +1. Terror 1. Bloodlust 1. Enduring 1.
Sauron’s twilight cost is -2 for each legendary card you can spot.
... he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it...
Wow erm no idea how balanced this is without trying it out and ive never seen a card with so many keywords. Would look naff on a card i reckon with all those bold words. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:43 pm |
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that horror of harad or whatever from EME had more... |
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Thranduil |
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:42 pm |
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sickofpalantirs wrote: that horror of harad or whatever from EME had more...
Nope - both have 6!
lem0nhead wrote: Would look naff on a card i reckon with all those bold words.
It would be worth it though!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:28 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: ![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) Lesser Ring
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -1
To play, spot an ![Elven](images/smiles/elven.gif) or ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) card.
Bearer must be a unique character.
... all those rings that he governed he perverted, the more easily since he had a part in their making, and they were accursed...
![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) Ring of Power
Artifact • Ring
Str: +1
Res: -2
To play, spot a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) or ![Elven](images/smiles/elven.gif) card.
Bearer must be a unique character.
Each time bearer is about to take a wound in a skirmish, his or her owner may discard the top 2 cards of their draw deck to prevent that wound.
... they betrayed in the end all those that used them.
My main concern now is one you still haven’t addressed: potentially playing these on the Ring-bearer...especially with the latter one. No way you should be able to drop a permanent -2 resistance on the Ring-bearer for NO twilight whatsoever. Heck, as is, I’d throw this into ANY deck just for that purpose. You need to either exclude the Ring-bearer entirely or nerf that resistance when they do bear it. Just WAY too powerful in that regard otherwise.
Thranduil wrote: ![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) ![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) • Sauron, The Terrible
Minion • Maia
Str: 24
Vit: 5
Sit: 6
Legendary. Fierce. Damage +1. Terror 1. Bloodlust 1. Enduring 1.
Sauron’s twilight cost is -2 for each legendary card you can spot.
... he gathered again under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it...
Just for clarity, probably best to say "...for each other legendary card...". Not strictly necessary, but good practice.
As for balance...jeez, I have no idea. I think terror + fierce is just mean for ANY minion, and then he’s got seemingly every other keyword known to man on top of that...but he IS expensive, and perhaps harder to play cheaply than other versions. I dunno. So hard to judge, but I’ll tenatively say he’s okay. For my money, I’d probably still rather go with a pure beatstick like Lord of the Rings, but that’s me. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:44 pm |
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DáinIronfoot wrote: My main concern now is one you still haven’t addressed: potentially playing these on the Ring-bearer...especially with the latter one. No way you should be able to drop a permanent -2 resistance on the Ring-bearer for NO twilight whatsoever. Heck, as is, I’d throw this into ANY ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) deck just for that purpose. You need to either exclude the Ring-bearer entirely or nerf that resistance when they do bear it. Just WAY too powerful in that regard otherwise.
Fair enough. I don’t like that limitation for flavour reasons, and also it’s perfectly fine for a Free Peoples card, but I can see that gamewise the exception clause needs to be there, unless you have a better way.
I haven’t made huge numbers of cards as yet, but here are some of them:
• The Ancient Darkness
Condition • Support Area
Legendary .
To play, spot 2 minions.
Each time a character wins a skirmish, you may add a token here.
Each time a minion is assigned to a skirmish, you may remove a token from here to make that minion gain "Stalwart - exert a companion assigned to this minion."
And now for the mirror I promised in my FP thread from the culture (the lore and title are referring to the ruin of Numenor after which the world became round and only 1 road to Valinor remained):
Bent Roads
Event • Regroup
Exert any number of characters with a combined site number of 13 or greater to replace a site on the site path with a site from your adventure deck, and add for each character exerted in this way.
And those that sailed furthest set but a girdle about the Earth and returned weary at last to the place of their beginning; and they said: ’All roads are now bent.’
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:48 pm |
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Thranduil wrote:
![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) • The Ancient Darkness
Condition • Support Area
Each time a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) character wins a skirmish, you may add a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) token here.
At the start of each skirmish involving a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) minion, you may remove a token from here to make that minion gain " Stalwart - exert a companion skirmishing this minion."
I am not quite sure about the mechanics of stalwart, but should it be each time they are assigned?
![3](images/smiles/3-twilight.gif) Ensnared
Condition
To play, spot a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) character.
Bearer must be a companion (except the Ring-bearer). This condition’s twilight cost is -1 for each artifact borne by this companion (or -3 if he or she bears a ring).
Bearer’s resistance is reduced to 0 and cannot be increased.
I think a tad too powerful. cut the cannot be increased
![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) Bent Roads
Event • Regroup
Exert any number of ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) characters with a combined site number of 12 or greater to replace a site on the site path with a site from your adventure deck, and add ![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) for each character exerted in this way.
[i]And those that sailed furthest set but a girdle about the Earth and returned weary at last to the place of their beginning; and they said: ’All roads are now bent.’
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:50 pm |
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sickofpalantirs wrote: I am not quite sure about the mechanics of stalwart, but should it be each time they are assigned?
No, I think it’s at the start of a skirmish.
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Thranduil wrote: DáinIronfoot wrote: My main concern now is one you still haven’t addressed: potentially playing these on the Ring-bearer...especially with the latter one. No way you should be able to drop a permanent -2 resistance on the Ring-bearer for NO twilight whatsoever. Heck, as is, I’d throw this into ANY ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) deck just for that purpose. You need to either exclude the Ring-bearer entirely or nerf that resistance when they do bear it. Just WAY too powerful in that regard otherwise.
Fair enough. I don’t like that limitation for flavour reasons, and also it’s perfectly fine for a Free Peoples card, but I can see that gamewise the exception clause needs to be there, unless you have a better way.
I haven’t made huge numbers of ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) cards as yet, but here are some of them:
![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) • The Ancient Darkness
Condition • Support Area
Each time a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) character wins a skirmish, you may add a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) token here.
At the start of each skirmish involving a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) minion, you may remove a token from here to make that minion gain " Stalwart - exert a companion skirmishing this minion."
Can’t remember how Stalwart works, but I think its prett cool as is. Nice for grind.
![3](images/smiles/3-twilight.gif) Ensnared
Condition
To play, spot a ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) character.
Bearer must be a companion (except the Ring-bearer). This condition’s twilight cost is -1 for each artifact borne by this companion (or -3 if he or she bears a ring).
Bearer’s resistance is reduced to 0 and cannot be increased.
Res -6, IMO, is good. Can you imagine this with Cantea, Black Assassin?
And now for the mirror I promised in my FP thread from the ![Elven](images/smiles/elven.gif) culture (the lore and title are referring to the ruin of Numenor after which the world became round and only 1 road to Valinor remained):
![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) Bent Roads
Event • Regroup
Exert any number of ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) characters with a combined site number of 12 or greater to replace a site on the site path with a site from your adventure deck, and add ![2](images/smiles/2-twilight.gif) for each character exerted in this way.
And those that sailed furthest set but a girdle about the Earth and returned weary at last to the place of their beginning; and they said: ’All roads are now bent.’
Sounds like that Gollum event, like it.
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