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Anvar |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:55 pm |
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I don’t post too much on this site but I had some ideas kicking around in my head for a DC set and Thranduil persuaded me to share it here. The idea of the set is thematic rather than based on any particular section of Tolkien’s work. The theme is death in all its forms, including the undead, wraiths, tombs, foresight and so on. The mechanics are based around the discard pile, draw deck and dead pile.
My thoughts for which characters to include are below. If you have any more suggestions, I would love to hear them, especially for non- minions.
Characters - Shadow - Twilight nazgul, barrow wights, wraiths, dead marshes.
FP - Army of the dead, twilight Frodo, Aragorn, Arwen, Elladan, Elrohir, Gimli, Theoden, Theodred, Boromir, Denethor, Gandalf, Balin, Brand, Dain, Glorfindel.
Mechanics:
-Enduring X, using the same system as Thranduil, I will be using a variable Enduring keyword.
-Twilight, unloaded keyword but used more widely than in Decipher’s work.
-Legendary X, again from Thranduil. This means two things. The X is the additional cost that must be paid by an opponent to discard the card. Legendary by itself means that it goes to the Dead pile when discarded from play.
-Return - X , my own mechanic, similar to Flashback from Magic. When this card is in your discard pile, you may play it for its Return cost. Events will then remove themselves from the game to prevent infinite loops.
-Desperation, a callout keyword that signifies a character who benefits from having no cards in your draw deck.
-Scour X is a game verb meaning discard X cards from the top of your draw deck (saves a lot of space and words).
-Tomb. (Cards stacked here count as being in the dead pile. If discarded, place all stacked cards in the dead pile).
Finally, to whet your appetite:
•King of the Dead, Wraith Lord
Companion • Wraith
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 5
Twilight.
To play, spot Aragorn or 2 Wraiths, and add a threat.
King of the Dead gains enduring 1 for each card in your dead pile.
“‘And thereupon the King of the Dead stood out before the host and broke his spear and cast it down.’” |
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DáinIronfoot |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:12 pm |
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Anvar wrote: I don’t post too much on this site but I had some ideas kicking around in my head for a DC set and Thranduil persuaded me to share it here. The idea of the set is thematic rather than based on any particular section of Tolkien’s work. The theme is death in all its forms, including the undead, wraiths, tombs, foresight and so on. The mechanics are based around the discard pile, draw deck and dead pile.
This would have been a good set to start at Halloween.
Anvar wrote: My thoughts for which characters to include are below. If you have any more suggestions, I would love to hear them, especially for non- ![Wraith](images/smiles/wraith.gif) minions.
Characters - Shadow - Twilight nazgul, barrow wights, wraiths, dead marshes.
FP - Army of the dead, twilight Frodo, Aragorn, Arwen, Elladan, Elrohir, Gimli, Theoden, Theodred, Boromir, Denethor, Gandalf, Balin, Brand, Dain, Glorfindel.
Some nifty ideas in there. No additional ideas offhand, but I’ll see if I can pull some thoughts out of my rusty brain soon.
Anvar wrote: Mechanics:
-Enduring X, using the same system as Thranduil, I will be using a variable Enduring keyword.
-Twilight, unloaded keyword but used more widely than in Decipher’s work.
-Legendary X, again from Thranduil. This means two things. The X is the additional cost that must be paid by an opponent to discard the card. Legendary by itself means that it goes to the Dead pile when discarded from play.
-Return - X , my own mechanic, similar to Flashback from Magic. When this card is in your discard pile, you may play it for its Return cost. Events will then remove themselves from the game to prevent infinite loops.
-Desperation, a callout keyword that signifies a character who benefits from having no cards in your draw deck.
-Scour X is a game verb meaning discard X cards from the top of your draw deck (saves a lot of space and words).
I like the new additions, though it will be interesting to see how useful desperation will be. I assume there will be a lot of discarding to make it worthwhile...such as with scour.
Anvar wrote: ![4](images/smiles/4-twilight.gif) •King of the Dead, Wraith Lord
Companion • Wraith
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Res: 5
Twilight.
To play, spot Aragorn or two ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraiths, and add a threat.
King of the Dead is Enduring 2 for each card in your dead pile.
“‘And thereupon the King of the Dead stood out before the host and broke his spear and cast it down.’”
Bravo on the proper lore formatting, but one tip: use "strength", "vitality", and "resistance". The abbreviations Thran uses drive me nuts.
Anyway, neat card. The first comma is unnecessary though, and since enduring isn’t the start of a sentence (or by itself), there’s no need to capitalize it. I also think that, with enduring and a select few other keywords, it’s "gain", not "is". Depending on how easily cards go in your dead pile, it might be balanced, but since you’re using legendary, it’s probably better to go with enduring 1 and/or cap it at enduring 4 or something. Might get a bit out of hand otherwise.
Bravo on starting a new set. We need some new blood in the DCing realm. Welcome to the madness! ![Smile](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) |
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Thranduil |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:20 pm |
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Anvar wrote: I don’t post too much on this site but I had some ideas kicking around in my head for a DC set and Thranduil persuaded me to share it here.
Wasn’t me! Must be some other Thranduil!
Anvar wrote: The idea of the set is thematic rather than based on any particular section of Tolkien’s work. The theme is death in all its forms, including the undead, wraiths, tombs, foresight and so on. The mechanics are based around the discard pile, draw deck and dead pile.
My thoughts for which characters to include are below. If you have any more suggestions, I would love to hear them, especially for non- ![Wraith](images/smiles/wraith.gif) minions.
Characters - Shadow - Twilight nazgul, barrow wights, wraiths, dead marshes.
FP - Army of the dead, twilight Frodo, Aragorn, Arwen, Elladan, Elrohir, Gimli, Theoden, Theodred, Boromir, Denethor, Gandalf, Balin, Brand, Dain, Glorfindel.
You could easily put some of those apparently minions into if you want another culture, like Wisp of Pale Sheen and those other rubbish Wraiths. I was thinking perhaps Saruman fits into this theme who is after all a Maia and can’t die though sort of does. Also, surely Sauron is an obvious choice who’s all about death and returning to life.
Anvar wrote: Mechanics:
-Enduring X, using the same system as Thranduil, I will be using a variable Enduring keyword.
A terrible idea!
Anvar wrote: -Twilight, unloaded keyword but used more widely than in Decipher’s work.
Even worse!
Anvar wrote: -Legendary X, again from Thranduil. This means two things. The X is the additional cost that must be paid by an opponent to discard the card. Legendary by itself means that it goes to the Dead pile when discarded from play.
Where do you come up with these dumb ideas? Technically, though it should be Legendary [X], unless you plan on introducing variable costs and not just twilight which I almost did and may still do.
Anvar wrote: -Return - X , my own mechanic, similar to Flashback from Magic. When this card is in your discard pile, you may play it for its Return cost. Events will then remove themselves from the game to prevent infinite loops.
No reason this shouldn’t work. Looks fun, and a streamlined method for cards like Kindreds Estranged et al.
Anvar wrote: -Desperation, a callout keyword that signifies a character who benefits from having no cards in your draw deck.
You should probably explain ’callout keyword’ - people often aren’t up on their MTG terms round here.
Anvar wrote: -Scour X is a game verb meaning discard X cards from the top of your draw deck (saves a lot of space and words).
Reminiscent of Scry, isn’t it? Looks good.
Anvar wrote: ![4](images/smiles/4-twilight.gif) •King of the Dead, Wraith Lord
Companion • Wraith
Str: 8
Vit: 4
Res: 5
Twilight.
To play, spot Aragorn or two ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraiths, and add a threat.
King of the Dead is Enduring 2 for each card in your dead pile.
“‘And thereupon the King of the Dead stood out before the host and broke his spear and cast it down.’”
Generally, numbers in text are written as numbers not words (ie. ’2 Wraiths’). Also, non-race keywords do not need to be capitalised in the middle of a sentence. As for the card itself, looks good. Oh yeah, and because it doesn’t include a ’+’ like damage or defender, you tend to gain enduring or hunter or similar keywords rather than simply ’being’ them.
EDIT: There were a whole lot of errors the first time I wrote this post, so I’d look again!
Look forward to more.
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Anvar |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:42 pm |
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Thranduil wrote: Glorfindel.
You could easily put some of those apparently ![Wraith](images/smiles/wraith.gif) minions into ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) if you want another culture, like Wisp of Pale Sheen and those other rubbish ![Sauron](images/smiles/sauron.gif) Wraiths. I was thinking perhaps Saruman fits into this theme who is after all a Maia and can’t die though sort of does. Also, surely Sauron is an obvious choice who’s all about death and returning to life.
Good idea on Sauron and Saruman. I think I want to put all wraiths into culture, since that’s why it was renamed.
Quote: Legendary [X], unless you plan on introducing variable costs and not just twilight which I almost did and may still do.
Indeed I do, I have one card with Legendary - Remove a threat.
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You should probably explain ’callout keyword’ - people often aren’t up on their MTG terms round here.
Actually it’s also a StarTrek:TCG term. Anyway, it just signifies that all cards with it work with no cards in the draw deck, though they don’t all work the same way.
More cards tomorrow (probably),
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lem0nhead |
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:47 am |
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Anvar wrote:
Mechanics:
- Enduring X, using the same system as Thranduil, I will be using a variable Enduring keyword.
Be wary of how powerful anything beyond enduring 2 can get.
- Twilight, unloaded keyword but used more widely than in Decipher’s work.
Yeah this has always needed developing.
- Legendary X, again from Thranduil. This means two things. The X is the additional cost that must be paid by an opponent to discard the card. Legendary by itself means that it goes to the Dead pile when discarded from play.
Yeah ive seen plenty from Thran. Not sure i like the return to play of legendary cards though.
- Return - X , my own mechanic, similar to Flashback from Magic. When this card is in your discard pile, you may play it for its Return cost. Events will then remove themselves from the game to prevent infinite loops.
Very cool.
- Desperation, a callout keyword that signifies a character who benefits from having no cards in your draw deck.
Great idea but very flipping rare. Would be so tought to pull off.
-Scour X is a game verb meaning discard X cards from the top of your draw deck (saves a lot of space and words).
Yeah sound.
![4](images/smiles/4-twilight.gif) •King of the Dead, Wraith Lord
Companion • Wraith
Strength: 8
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 5
Twilight.
To play, spot Aragorn or 2 ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraiths, and add a threat.
King of the Dead gains enduring 2 for each card in your dead pile.
“‘And thereupon the King of the Dead stood out before the host and broke his spear and cast it down.’”
Enduring 2 is OP enough without legendary cards. This is so abuseable in terms of Thran’s set so imagine with yours too. Dain has good thoughts on limiting the power of this. Nice idea though.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:18 pm |
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lem0nhead wrote: Enduring 2 is OP enough without legendary cards. This is so abuseable in terms of Thran’s set so imagine with yours too. Dain has good thoughts on limiting the power of this. Nice idea though.[/b]
I agree to this, actually. Enduring 1 would be better.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:21 pm |
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Changed to enduring 1. Thanks for the feedback.
More cards soon,
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:34 pm |
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Some potentially very powerful cards to get this thread off with a bang. Less controversial cards will follow, so don’t panic just yet.
•The Stone of Erech
Artifact • Support Area
Legendary -
Response: If an exhausted Wraith is about to take a wound, you may spot Aragorn and add 2 threats to discard that Wraith instead.
Skirmish: Spot Aragorn and place this card in the dead pile to make each Wraith strength +2 until the regroup phase.
“’Now come! By the Black Stone I call you!’”
There are Wraith companions with Return, so discarding Wraiths is not so bad. As always with Gondor Wraiths, the challenge is keeping the number of threats in check.
Muster of the Dead
Condition • Support Area
Wraiths in your dead pile do not count towards the rule of nine.
To play a companion you must add two threats.
“...but the Dead followed.”
The difficulty of meeting the cost to play companions I’m hoping counteracts the potential NPE of the card. Should it have a penalty when discarded if there are more than 9 companions in play/dead pile? Should it just increase the limit of companions, making the rule of 10 or 11 for example?
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Thranduil |
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:40 pm |
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Anvar wrote: Some potentially very powerful cards to get this thread off with a bang. Less controversial cards will follow, so don’t panic just yet.
That’s learning too many lessons from me I think. Remember that time I started the Fall of Eregion set with a Sauron companion!
Anvar wrote: ![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) •The Stone of Erech
Artifact • Support Area
Legendary -
Response: If an exhausted ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraith is about to take a wound, you may spot Aragorn and add 2 threats to discard that Wraith instead.
Skirmish: Spot Aragorn and place this card in the dead pile to make each ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraith Strength +2 until the regroup phase.
“’Now come! By the Black Stone I call you!’”
Again an issue about capitalisation: attributes do not need capital letters (whenever you submit a card for my contest with those errors, I just end up correcting them). Looks fine, probably. Perhaps too cheap?
Anvar wrote: ![3](images/smiles/3-twilight.gif) Muster of the Dead
Condition • Support Area
![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraiths in your dead pile do not count towards the rule of nine.
To play a companion you must add two threats.
“...but the Dead followed.”
Fun lore, and fun card. I wouldn’t make a habit out of this mechanic, but I reckon for Wraiths of all people it’s probably fine.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:03 pm |
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Anvar wrote: Some potentially very powerful cards to get this thread off with a bang. Less controversial cards will follow, so don’t panic just yet.
Indeed, you have Thran’s flair for the dramatic.
Anvar wrote: ![0](images/smiles/0-twilight.gif) •The Stone of Erech
Artifact • Support Area
Legendary -
Response: If an exhausted ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraith is about to take a wound, you may spot Aragorn and add 2 threats to discard that Wraith instead.
Skirmish: Spot Aragorn and place this card in the dead pile to make each ![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraith strength +2 until the regroup phase.
“’Now come! By the Black Stone I call you!’”
Very cool card. I think I’d raise the cost to at least , though, and lower the legendary to .
Anvar wrote: ![3](images/smiles/3-twilight.gif) Muster of the Dead
Condition • Support Area
![Gondor](images/smiles/gondor.gif) Wraiths in your dead pile do not count towards the rule of nine.
To play a companion you must add two threats.
“...but the Dead followed.”
Relatively balanced, but this is one of those cards you really can’t be entirely certain about until someone like NBarden playtests and tries to break it. I’d make it unique, I think. |
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