If a companion wins a skirmish

[daisukeman]

I just want to know if effects in abilities or events that response when "a companion wins a skirmish" apply when that happens by direct wounding!
I'm guessing yes; but I just want to check because by wounds, skirmish is not theorically resolved.

For example:
Unyielding used by Eowyn, Lady of Ithilien if she wiped the whole gang of minions (in that case, can she liberate site?)

Same thing goes the other way around. A minion can kill while skirmishing (say Red wrath). He won the skirmish alright?

[Thranduil]

If the character you were skirmishing is suddenly no longer there, then you win the skirmish. So wounding, discard, bounce; anything which makes the companion no longer in play.

Thranduil

[daisukeman]

what exactly is bounce?
because I'm supposing same thing goes with gimli, skilled defender. He can kill a minion assigned to Legolas for example.
Then, I can put a token on Final count?

[lem0nhead]

Bounce is the term for the gameplay mechanic of discarding a companion and replaying him. Such as the towers hobbits using treebeard the ally etc..

No you cant put the token on final count in that instance as the skirmish has not begun for legolas. He is still only assigned. It only counts if the fight with legolas had started then the minion 'disappears'.

[daisukeman]

ok...
wounding to death and discarding the minion goes.
but let me get it straight,  bouncing is winning??
a hobbit discarded while skirmishing and then played again has won the skirmish?

[lem0nhead]

No if the hobbit companion is discarded the minion wins the skirmish.

He doesnt get played again til later so thats irrelevant. If a skirmish has started and one side of that skirmish vanishes for whatever reason, the other side defaulty wins.

[daisukeman]

No if the hobbit companion is discarded the minion wins the skirmish.
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If a skirmish has started and one side of that skirmish vanishes for whatever reason, the other side defaulty wins.

Ok thanks a lot, but are you actually sure about this??
I thought discarding companions while skirmish cancelled the skirmish.. that's the hobbit way 
If a companion dies, though, it may be different.

I have been playing oddly, unfair to dunlands then, because I have never activated their "winning skirmishes habilites" like: stacking, controlling site, becoming fierce, dropping off yet another dunland,.. when a hobbit is discarded.

[Thranduil]

No if the hobbit companion is discarded the minion wins the skirmish.
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If a skirmish has started and one side of that skirmish vanishes for whatever reason, the other side defaulty wins.

Ok thanks a lot, but are you actually sure about this??
I thought discarding companions while skirmish cancelled the skirmish.. that's the hobbit way 
If a companion dies, though, it may be different.

I have been playing oddly, unfair to dunlands then, because I have never activated their "winning skirmishes habilites" like: stacking, controlling site, becoming fierce, dropping off yet another dunland,.. when a hobbit is discarded.

No, you've been playing correctly. If a Hobbit is discarded during a skirmish involving that Hobbit and a minion, that minion is said to have "won the skirmish" by default because his opponent is no longer there.

If the Hobbit is discarded during someone else's skirmish before the skirmish involving that Hobbit starts, then that minion has not won the skirmish, the skirmish just does not take place.

Sorry for the confusion; I used "bounce" to mean "returning to hand".

Thranduil

[Pepin The Breve]

   If one side is removed for any reason (wounded to death, discarded, returned to hand, etc.) the other side is declared the winner. If one side is removed before the skirmish in what it is involved begins, the skirmish don't occur and there are no winner side. Same thing if a skirmish gets cancealed. In this case it ends imediatly with no winner or loser side.

[daisukeman]

OK thanks a lot: now it's clear enough.
Game on!