OFFICIAL Vote: Galadriel, Lady Redeemed

[Pepin The Breve]

I'm away from boards from some time, but i eventually come back last days and hopefully i can still showing up to play a few games on GCCG.

Since Movie Block is the format i play the most and i did participate from some old discussion on this issue i find myself confortable to vote on this poll.

For reasons i mentioned in the past i voted "yes", bane the Blondie! I didn't face her often (by the way i play against her very very few times) so "in pratice" that is not a big problem either if she becames baned or not. I just feel that the card is disbalanced for movie block format.

[macheteman]

bane the Blondie!

that is the most epic phrase ever written... gp for you my friend.

[Kralik]

Just a thought... Would it be acceptable for on GCCG to leave the existing Decipher-only formats like "Movie Block", etc. as is. We then add formats to the list that are the TLHH House Rules, so players can choose for themselves?

Look carefully at the tables in the GCCG lobby.

[Tbiesty]

Since this poll is just about over, does anyone have a preference as to which issue we cover next?

[Kralik]

Maybe adding new formats, though I am still curious about Forces of Mordor.

[Kralik]

I'm going to go ahead and release this as an update. We got 24 Yes votes and 11 No votes: Over 2/3rds. 2/3rds+ will remain the key number for future votes.

Thanks for participation, everyone! Remember that you can still play the "official rules" on GCCG if you want.

[jcb213]

I posted the information below in the discussion thread about making changes.  I don't want to rehash the Galadriel LR debate or anything like that, I just want to set the record straight about what was actually played at worlds 2004 and what impact Galadriel LR had.

I used the internet archive to pull up the top 16 decks from worlds that year.  Worlds 2004 was the biggest tournament ever held with what we know as the official Movie Block.  Here is a summary:

1.  Rohan / Ninja Gollum
2.  Man Elf / Besiegers

3-4 (in no particular order)
Knights / Besiegers
Man Elf / Twilight Witch King with Morgul Orcs

5-8 (in no particular order)
Man Elf / Mixed Archery (southrons & uruks) – no conditions or possessions
Gandalf Gondor / Uruk Trackers – no conditions other than greed
Man Elf / Dunland
Elves with Galadriel LR & Eowyn LoI / Morgul Orc Swarm

9-16 (in no particular order)
Dauntless Hunter Hobbits / Southron Mumaks
Elves with Galadriel LR & Gimli & wounding / Southron Archery
Gondor Noble Leaders with Galadriel LR / Besiegers
Man Elf / 2 burden Easterlings
Elven Telepathy with Galadriel LR & Gandalf / Moria with Trolls & Sauron
Rohan / Moria Swarm
Shire Countryside Skirmish / Threat Nazgul
Dwarves / Twilight Nazgul


You'll note that Galadriel, LR wasn't in the top 2 decks, wasn't in the top 4 decks and was only in 1 of the top 8 decks.  Man Elf on the other hand made up half of the top 2, half of the top 4, and half of the top 8.  She was in 3 decks in the bottom half of the top 16.

Galadriel LR was in 4 total decks (none of which were the same deck - she allowed for diversity) while Man Elf (almost identical lists for it) was 5 decks from the top 16.

You'll also notice that none of the Besieger decks (3 of them) bothered to play Terrible as the Dawn even though it's super easy to put in.  A few decks didn't play conditions or possessions, but none of them were specifically teched for Galadriel LR.  So, when someone claims "Each deck from the top 16 either contained LR or was anti-LR" that just isn't true.  In fact, 10-12 of the shadows from the top 16 are terrible against Elves with Galadriel LR.

Another thing to note is that almost all of these decks were also the decks these players used on day 2 (sometimes with one or two cards different) to make day 3, so they were playing them against the entire field.  So, the top 16 at worlds that year weren't super concerned about Galadriel LR

Don't get me wrong, I still think LR is a broken card, but people need to stop quoting worlds 2004 as evidence of that.  If people want to use worlds 2004 as evidence they'd be better using it to argue for some of the key cards from Man-Elf to be x-listed.  In fact, something Decipher noted when they added Sam SoH to the x-list when Shadows came out was that he was on the watch list for some time for being too versatile and he was present in 15 of the day 3 worlds decks (sometimes 2 copies) and the only deck he wasn't in featured Sam Great Elf Warrior (Dauntless Hobbits).  So really, worlds 2004 provides strong evidence that if you errata or ban cards from Movie Block Sam SoH should be one of them (please note that I don't want to do that either, I'm just presenting data from the biggest tournament ever held with the official Movie Block x-list).

I saved all the lists in a word document so I'd be happy to post them if people are interested.

[Imrahil]

I would love to see the deck lists, just out of curiosity. 

[legolas3333]

Im pretty sure most of them are on DechTech

[jcb213]

I'll post them in the Movie Block deck discussion when I get a chance this weekend.

[Kralik]

Thanks for all of the research and clarifying the issue!

[jcb213]

I would love to see the deck lists, just out of curiosity. 

I posted the lists in the movie block forum

[Imrahil]

Thanks.