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[bibfortuna25]

SoS effectively gives FP a free use out of the many FP cards that require an exertion to get an effect, such as Greenleaf, Boromir SOD, Frying Pan, and yes, Gondor Bowmen. So the correct procedure is that the companion exerts and SoS places no exertion token, but the condition is still discarded and the FP archery total is still +2.

[MarcinS]

SoS effectively gives FP a free use out of the many FP cards that require an exertion to get an effect, such as Greenleaf, Boromir SOD, Frying Pan, and yes, Gondor Bowmen. So the correct procedure is that the companion exerts and SoS places no exertion token, but the condition is still discarded and the FP archery total is still +2.

Ok, so that I get all the rules clear:
In what cases is the cost considered to be failed, so in case of "cost to effect" actions, the effect is not going to happen?

Based on your posts:
 - if a cost is prevented, effect will not happen,
 - if a cost is modified (like in case of Strength of Spirit), effect will happen.

What about if cost is replaced, like with an action that has "When X is about to happen, do Y instead", if the X was a cost for some action, is the effect going to happen?

One more question on Strength of Spirit. When you place no wound for the exert, is the character considered to be exerted for effects like "Whenever X exerts, do Y"?

[bibfortuna25]

The cost is NOT modified with SoS. The companion still exerts, and that exertion can be responded to by applicable cards.

For your second question, if the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

[MarcinS]

For your second question, if the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

Wow, I always assumed Treebeard, Earthborn works with effects like Pippin, Just a Nuisance...

[Hobbiton Lad]

I think MarcinS brings up a good point here. Effects are replaceable, but not costs. There are plenty of cards in LotR that alter effects. But costs, those are not replaceable. If you don't pay the cost, you don't get the effect.

[MarcinS]

Ok, after next restart:
- "Strength of Spirit" no longer cancels an effect if the exertion was a cost.

[bibfortuna25]

For your second question, if the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

Wow, I always assumed Treebeard, Earthborn works with effects like Pippin, Just a Nuisance...

Hmm, this is one of those times when I wish Gemp had a gametext search feature, because I would love to see which cards use the word "instead" and how they can be applied to costs of other actions.

[MarcinS]

For your second question, if the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

Wow, I always assumed Treebeard, Earthborn works with effects like Pippin, Just a Nuisance...

Hmm, this is one of those times when I wish Gemp had a gametext search feature, because I would love to see which cards use the word "instead" and how they can be applied to costs of other actions.

Are you suggesting that it's not a clear-cut decision, if the "instead" nullifies an effect of an action, if it replaced the cost of it?

[bibfortuna25]

Well, my instinct says Earthborn can stack Just a Nuisance, but evidently the rules say otherwise. So by looking at other examples, I can give you a more complete answer. I am posting from my phone now anyway, so it's hard to browse through the card lists.

[Tbiesty]

If the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

Though I can see arguments for both options, I do see this to be the cleanest solution.

So in this case, you can still use Earthborn to stack Just a Nuisance, you just cannot remove an Uruk-hai from a skirmish if you do stack him instead of actually discard him.

Seems sound to me.

[MarcinS]

If the cost is replaced by something else, then the effect doesn't happen.

Though I can see arguments for both options, I do see this to be the cleanest solution.

So in this case, you can still use Earthborn to stack Just a Nuisance, you just cannot remove an Uruk-hai from a skirmish if you do stack him instead of actually discard him.

Seems sound to me.

I'd argue, that it was an intention of the designers to allow discarding of the hobbit, and placing it on Treebeard while also having the benefit of the hobbit action. Especially since they are in the same set. However, due to bibfortuna's interpretation it cannot work.

[hsiale]

I agree that this was most probably the intention, but the card was worded poorly and it doesn't work, still noone cared as Pippin's ability is so weak that noone would play him even if he worked as intended - Wooly-footed Rascal is always better and he works with Earthborn without problems.

[Tbiesty]

During regroup phase, when Fortress Never Fallen has 0 tokens and there is a Shadow Condition in play, after clicking on Fortress Never Fallen, the effect will have me try to select Shadow Conditions to discard.  It then says "Something Went Wrong." after I click Done.

I would have expected the effect of choosing cards to discard to be skipped when there are 0 tokens.

[bibfortuna25]

The same thing happens when I play Might of Numenor and reveal a card with a cost of 0, or when Curse Their Foul Feet reveals no Orcs in my hand. I think that if the value for X is 0, it shouldn't behave as though it was an actual number.

[MarcinS]

The same thing happens when I play Might of Numenor and reveal a card with a cost of 0, or when Curse Their Foul Feet reveals no Orcs in my hand. I think that if the value for X is 0, it shouldn't behave as though it was an actual number.

Fixed (after restart):
- If an effect calls for selecting a variable number of cards, and the number is 0, game should no longer stop working.