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[BigRedMF]

Yes Merrick, I understand why GEMP exerted Merry, I just don't agree that it is the appropriate interpretation of the site text. There is nothing in the rules that spells out what AND really means in a situation like this. It may be a unique situation for all I know.

You are arguing that the game text is split into 2 evaluations, and I am arguing that the game text is a single evaluation for each character. Kralik spells it out perfectly with the code above. Without a ruling on what AND truly implies, I can only assume it means "at the same time" since there are other cards that specifically use the word THEN to indicate a series of actions. If the Bog was truly a series of two checks I would expect it to also use the word THEN.

Since I am arguing that the entire site text is applied to Merry at one time, then his resistance doesn't change until after I've already applied the site's game text in its entirety. I can't apply the game text a second time to exert him because "when" actions can only happen once.

It's clear to me that this isn't a "bug" so much as a difference in interpretation of the game text.

Just admit that if you were playing in real life, not thinking in sequential code language of a computer that can only do literally one evaluation at a time, that you would not have exerted Merry    I'm sure most people in real life would not have.

[Carl333]

On site five I tried to use aragorns pipe.  In stead of using the game text, it transferd it.  None of my other pipes would work as well.

Here is the replay:  http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Carl333$iy2ujd36pxw61hfx

[Merrick_H]

On site five I tried to use aragorns pipe.  In stead of using the game text, it transferd it.  None of my other pipes would work as well.

Here is the replay:  http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Carl333$iy2ujd36pxw61hfx

None of your Pipeweed were possessions.   They were all conditions.

[Carl333]

Ohhhh, that makes perfect sense.  Thank you.

[Kralik]

Return To Its Master cannot be played.

Check out the following game, site 5:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Kralik$8usyxr9ttbn0jhff

Ringbearer had the ring on (Resistance Becomes Unbearable), and even took a burden in skirmish (confirming the ring was on), yet Return To Its Master was unplayable at the end of all four skirmishes.

Expected outcome: Assign Nazgul to Frodo, Frodo dies.

Actual outcome: Card cannot be played, Kralik is sad.

Edit: I'm an idiot!

[Merrick_H]

Return To Its Master cannot be played.

Check out the following game, site 5:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Kralik$8usyxr9ttbn0jhff

Ringbearer had the ring on (Resistance Becomes Unbearable), and even took a burden in skirmish (confirming the ring was on), yet Return To Its Master was unplayable at the end of all four skirmishes.

Expected outcome: Assign Nazgul to Frodo, Frodo dies.

Actual outcome: Card cannot be played, Kralik is sad.

Read the game text of The Witch King :-)

[Kralik]

I'm an idiot.

Immortal, if you're reading this, sorry about that game. I'll make it up to you sometime.

[Prince_of_Ithilien]

When playing a Towers Standard game, Grimer, Dwarven Elder [1U17] (Ally, Home 3-Fellowship block) was able to use Hand Axe [2C10] during the archery phase (without first using a card allowing allies to participate in archery fire and skirmishes).  Can hand axe be used without first calling ally to participate?  In replay, it happens as player two is at site 5.  Thank you for the follow-up!

Replay: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Dunadan325$uex1mn8s56jmx1o5

[Cthulhu]

Archery fire only means counting them towards your fellowship archery total, if they have the keyword "archer", and that you can only do on the ally's homesite or when a card allows him to.

There is no rule stopping allies using their special abilities, archery or other, regardless of the site they are on.

[Prince_of_Ithilien]

Ah, ok, makes better sense now.  I s'pose just like Rumil and Orophim can use archery abilities without participating in fire, hand axe would be considered an archery ability in much the same way in this sense.  Clarified  :-)

[another]

Hello
I can't take cards from "Shards of Narsil" (3R44) to hand after that i took 4 cards on sanctuary with the ability of "Denethor" 10R28

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=another$i0xulmmkycwaugou

[Merrick_H]

Hello
I can't take cards from "Shards of Narsil" (3R44) to hand after that i took 4 cards on sanctuary with the ability of "Denethor" 10R28

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=another$i0xulmmkycwaugou

This is not a bug.  It is limited by the "Rule of 4"

The Rule of 4
Some card effects allow you to draw cards in the
fellowship phase. You cannot draw (or take into
hand) more than 4 cards during your fellowship
phase.

This applies to cards taken into hand by any
means. This does not apply to cards drawn "at
the start of each of your turns."

Taken from the CRD 4.0
http://lotrtcgwiki.com/wiki/_media/comprehensive.pdf

[Legion]

Rumil, Brother of Haldir and Rumil, Silvan Elf can both be played at the same time, despite being unique:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Legion$flawb69oqm7bp7w6

(site 3)

[ramolnar]

In my recent Fellowship block game, at site 6 my opponent was able to transfer Asfaloth from Elrond to Galadriel and then to Arwen. According to the comprehensive rules, both characters involved in the transfer must be at the same site. The transfer at site 3 from Arwen to Elrond was acceptable, but when Galadriel and Arwen are at site 6, Elrond is back at site 3.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=ramolnar$39okxubjrugakri4

[Valtor]

ramolnar - you are correct in all you say.

This bug has been known for some time, there is a post of my own several pages ago describing it.

Evidently it has not been fixed