condition discarding

[argyles]

the source of the effect in the card says : discard card(S) (and not condition) . the card that will be discarded is a condition only if the shadow player chooses so.
If there is a minion,a shadow condition,a shadow possession,a shadow artifact,a shadow follower on the table and the shadow player targets the shadow condition in order to be saved by deceit it seems to me like manipulating the rules or the game.

[ket_the_jet]

But that happens all the time. Imagine having a Desert Sneak and 20 other non-[Raider] minions. If you play High Vantage, you can assign infinite arrows during the archery phase to prevent all wounds to your other minions.
-wtk

[Kralik]

Or Berserk Butcher.

I'd have to agree with the rulebook, since it says the source is the Freeps card. Think also of Brooding on Tomorrow... even if the Shadow players chooses a condition and prevents it with Deceit, is there any doubt that the forced discard is a result of the card? Just because That's Two doesn't specifically state "condition" doesn't change the issue. (a Free Peoples card) is making you discard.

[argyles]

But that happens all the time. Imagine having a Desert Sneak and 20 other non-[Raider] minions. If you play High Vantage, you can assign infinite arrows during the archery phase to prevent all wounds to your other minions.
-wtk

i am 99% sure that this can be done since it reminds me the classic trick with gimli's helm and threats.

[ket_the_jet]

The example I used is a real, legal example.
-wtk

[jdizzy001]

But then why can't old noakes text be used when given a choice?  Disregarding that's two, i think I understand that now, but that then (in my mind) would mean you could use old noakes when given a choice right?

[TheJord]

Old Noakes says "makes you", where as DDotR gives you the choice. Orc Inquisitor or Tower of Barad-dur doesnt so he works against them.

I think it was to ensure some balance, as I would always discard if I knew I could toss a minion for it.

[Kralik]

And since it's discard "a" card from hand, you could whack out three minions that way!