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January 10, 2009, 09:36:37 PM
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LotR Sideboard
« on: January 10, 2009, 09:36:37 PM »
One of the things that always bothered me in LotR is the lack of a sideboard. because of this, we usually have to make the decks slightly bigger than we'd like them to be, to acomodate answers to threats that may come our way.
You see, in Magic, we have our 60-card minimum decks, and we have a "sideboard", made of EXACTLY 15 cards. Between matches, we may swap any number of cards from our deck for cards in our sideboards, although the total number of cards in the main deck has to remain the same (you can't simply add cards, if one comes in, one must come out). Also, the sideboard is "part" of the deck, in a sense that if you have 3 copies of a card in your main deck, only 1 other can be in your sideboard, for a grand total of 4.
Why I like this idea? It opens up A LOT of creativity space, since you can make your main decks smaller (and thus quicker and more reliable) while still pack answers to certain things, even if only for games 2 and 3. Also, creating a sideboard is harder than it seems, since when you march up to a big tournament, you have no idea what exactly you'll be facing. Sure, you know the popular archetypes, but they may pack a single card in there that you didn't expect, OR they may have found a nice toll in their sideboard that you didn't see coming, and completly trash you in games 2 and 3. Not to mention, ok, you have stuff to come in, but... what will come out?
I've been toying with trying to transfer the idea to LotR (the game IS dead anyway, and the players are even making their own formats and X-Lists, which basically means playing the game is all about the fun). Now, OF COURSE playing best 2 out of 3 matches in LotR is CRAZY, so that'd be off the table. However, I devised a way to make it "work", and I'd like the opinion of you guys. Basically, you'd have a sideboard (number crunch is not necessary right now), and you'd get, like, X minutes (this has to be a small amount of time to keep it fun) to look through each other's deck PRIOR to the match. Then, you'd get to sideboard. So, for instance, you could pack Frodo, Resolute Hobbit in your sideboard, and switch your Frodo if you were up against a corruption deck, for one. NOw, the downside is that this ruins PART of the fun of playing a deck you've never seen. HOWEVER, in big MtG tournaments (like Worlds), the Top 8 players get a copy of ALL the decks their opponents will be playing 1 day prior, to study it and prepare, so as to make for great matches. Also, since you'd have a SMALL amount of time to do so, you'd basically have to glean over the list, and although you might get the general idea, there STILL might b some interactiosn you will miss (for instance, a player looking Fruit Loops for the first time, in a small window of time, would still never be able to grasp exactly what the deck did). This would allow for "cleaner" deckbuilding (as you'd have to cram less stuff in your deck), and actually more cool match-ups (since you wouldn't have to pack a 1-of or 2-of as a solution to something that completly wrecks you, you could pack a full set, and bring it in just for that match) as the decks would be more finely tuned to face each other. Also, this allows for a NEW design space, which is anticipating what they'll do. You'd get to look at each others MAIN decks, NOT the sideboards, so for instance, you might anticipate that they'll bring in anti-archery stuff against your archery Shadow, and actually dedicate your whole sideboard to shadow cards only, "switching" your shadow pre-game (you'd see their deck, notice that it's a good match-up for you, and anticipate what they'd bring in, so you'd counter their strategy by switching yours and catching them unprepared).
So, what do you guys think about the idea? Do you think it could go somewhere? That it might be cool? If you have any questions (since this is not a concept present in a lot of card games), fire them away.
PS: I know this is a HUGE change to what you are used to, but I'd like you to have an open mind and think about it before flaming me. :P

January 11, 2009, 01:25:31 AM
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Re: LotR Sideboard
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 01:25:31 AM »
Actually, LotR did have Match Play (best 2 out of 3), but it was more or less limited to high level events like Days 3 and beyond of the World Championships and Premier Series Events and Invitationals. Even so, each player would make adjustments in how they played their respective deck after the first game of each round, without the help of a sideboard. That's one of the GOOD things about this game I think, and one of the best way to become a better player. Yes, there are tougher matchups, but if you're good enough, you don't need to switch in one or two cards in order to get the win. You also don't need to make your decks slightly bigger than you want to in order to win those games.

Check out this page, under LotR Day 3, and you'll see that there were a handful of matches that needed all three games to be decided. Also, about a quarter of the way down on this page you'll find links to the play-by-play of the Patrick Sullivan/Mike French match in the 2004 Origins Premier Series Event.

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January 11, 2009, 07:01:22 AM
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Re: LotR Sideboard
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 07:01:22 AM »
I hate sideboard.

With 15 cards extra, you can react immediately to all kind of decks, so the game will loose its spirit. You could build exact antidecks, so would not be fun left anymore.

But that is just my opinion....
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January 12, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
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Re: LotR Sideboard
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 09:44:59 AM »
Magic is soooo different from LOTR that comparing both games is a dreadful idea most of the time. Companions and minions are so different from creatures and the life cycle of each card in each of the games is too different to even think of a sideboard in LOTR. I won't even go on with this, because there are so many differences that there are almost no similarities.

Making a long story short, no :D

January 12, 2009, 09:47:20 AM
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 09:47:20 AM »
I, for one, like it.  :P

January 12, 2009, 09:51:51 AM
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 09:51:51 AM »
Don't you think that, in LOTR, 15 cards is enough to completely disrupt any other deck? I mean, let's say you have a 30 cards freeps elven side, can't you turn it from beatdown into archery with less than 15 cards? What about Nazguls, can't you turn forest into enquea corruption just like that?

January 12, 2009, 10:09:54 AM
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 10:09:54 AM »
I think that is a good point leokula.  If we were to implement this idea I think it would be better off at around 10 cards.  Also you could make it a requirement to keep the 50/50 FP to SH split in the sideboard just as it is in the main deck.  So 5 FP and 5 SH.  That would provide an opportunity to protect your deck against specific decktypes, but would not provide enough to change your strategy completely.

January 12, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
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Re: LotR Sideboard
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 03:34:32 PM »
Don't you think that, in LOTR, 15 cards is enough to completely disrupt any other deck? I mean, let's say you have a 30 cards freeps elven side, can't you turn it from beatdown into archery with less than 15 cards? What about Nazguls, can't you turn forest into enquea corruption just like that?

This IS the most compelling argument as to which I said this would need some serious thinking on number crunches. But as fingolfinwe pointed out, a smaller number of cards while ALSO having to respect the even split, for instance, would allow for some breathing room for fresh deck ideas to arise. You could STILL alter a strategy enough to make the deck play slightly different with 5 cards, while not allowing that deck to completly crush anything.

January 19, 2009, 07:08:34 AM
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 07:08:34 AM »
I can see the sideboard variation in casual play with house rules, but not in serious online play.  No one can really tell if someone is cheating, especially during a competitive tournament and no one "trusts" the other.  We're a good-natured community, but still....IMO it adds a lot of confusion.
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January 19, 2009, 08:40:50 AM
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Re: LotR Sideboard
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 08:40:50 AM »
There would be judge supervision and decklists for that kind of thing. It's actually pretty doable. ;)