Bound to its Fate vs Erland, Adviser to Brand

[sgtdraino]

Wondering what happens when Bound to its Fate is played, and Erland, Advisor to Brand is in play. Does Bound to its Fate do nothing, because it cannot look at or reveal cards from hand? Or does it automatically add a burden, because there are no revealed cards?

[Legion]

It does nothing. You did not do the first part of the text, so no burden gets added. I use Erland in my Last Stand deck and I've seen this happen.

[exarrkun]

I think you can counter this by playing porter troll. The FP cannot reveal cards to you, even if they have events, so a burden would be added. Can anyone confirm this?

[Haszor]

I think you can counter this by playing porter troll. The FP cannot reveal cards to you, even if they have events, so a burden would be added. Can anyone confirm this?

Pretty sure they could still prevent the burden, as Erland says that the shadow player cannot reveal cards, and porter troll doesn't directly reveal the card, but rather gives the other player the option to reveal.

[sgtdraino]

Sounds like Erland's a pretty good counter to the various Orc corruption decks!

[Ringbearer]

I would look at it the other way. Since you cannot reveal the hand, the free peoples player cannot discard a revealed event and thus has to add a burden. You have to do as much as possible.

[bibfortuna25]

Ringbearer's got it right. Since FP cannot discard an event with BTIF, a burden gets added. Porter Troll isn't a problem with Erland though, since FP is the one doing the revealing. Great question!

[sgtdraino]

That is kind of what I suspected. I gather that Gemp currently doesn't do it that way?

[exarrkun]

bibfortuna25, I follow the reasoning behind the porter troll, but erland also says a shadow player cannot look at cards in the FP player's hand.
So even when the FP player chooses to reveal an event from his/her hand, the shadow player may not look at it. Therefore the card isn't revealed to the shadow player.
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the text, English is only my 3rd language...

[bibfortuna25]

When the Shadow player plays BTIF with Erland in play, Erland prevents the FP's hand from being revealed. FP cannot discard an event, because no events were revealed. Therefore, a burden must be added.