Prize Support Issues

[Eukalyptus]

I just mailed MarcinS this:

Then, the entry fees for the dailies and single eliminations are too high. People hardly play them. [...] this is getting frustrating. Esp. after two months. I'd suggest a lower entry fee for the dailies, say 5 gold and a reworked prize support for single elimination.

The prize support for All Cards has to go up as well. [...] I tend to agree that it should be higher than it is now, but not quite equal to My Cards.

Lastly, to make leagues more attractive, please delete the current Tengwar account and allow them back into My Cards. Taking them out hurt the most. Now, ppl. have absolutely nothing to gain from them, apart for some showing off in casual where it's really not needed IMO.

I stand by my opinion that the support for All Cards should be the lowest, but not that low. Everyone who thinks otherwise I encourage to mail MarcinS. That reset didn't happen to be one persons wish.

[sgtdraino]

I just mailed MarcinS this:

Thank you, Eukalyptus, for your support for change regarding this issue.

Lastly, to make leagues more attractive, please delete the current Tengwar account and allow them back into My Cards. Taking them out hurt the most. Now, ppl. have absolutely nothing to gain from them, apart for some showing off in casual where it's really not needed IMO.

I like the concept that the Tengwars carry over through resets, let's try to keep that aspect if we can.

Everyone who thinks otherwise I encourage to mail MarcinS.

And for anyone who somehow doesn't know, MarcinS's email can be found at the top of the main game hall in Gemp.

I've just emailed MarcinS as well:

Dear MarcinS,

First, many thanks yet again for Gemp. You did a fantastic job on it, and it was a real service to all the players of the world who still want to play that game. Also, I'd like to thank you for the reset and revamping of the merchant system. I really like the fixed prices, and I think this has really solved the problem of people trying to game the gold system.

I understand you're busy with MtG and other issues, but I'd really appreciate it if you could please find the time to adjust the prize support for both Leagues and Tournaments. At their current levels, prize support and entry fees for Daily My Cards Tournaments are insufficient to motivate people to play those much, and the entry fees and prize support for Single Elimination Tournaments is so terrible as to make them essentially unplayable.

I'd also like to you take a hard look at the HUGE disparity in prize support for the various types of Leagues. At present My Cards gets DOUBLE the prize support of All Cards, while Sealed gets TRIPLE the prize support of All Cards. Is that truly warranted? For one thing, the massive prize payout of Sealed is (IMO) a big motivator for players to create lots of duplicate accounts to try and get a good card pull, which in turn generates more work for the moderators trying to police. Secondly, I do not believe that such a wide disparity in prize support is really justified for these different Leagues. There is a growing sentiment that All Cards Constructed is the format which actually requires the most skill to excel at, yet that is the format with the lowest prize support. Sealed gets triple, yet it's a format where player skill is mitigated by luck. My Cards is viewed as the format requiring the least skill to excel at, because in its case player skill is mitigated by the gold factor (rich players beat poor players). However, I know there is a lot of disagreement between players as to which format warrants to most prize support, and which one warrants the least. As a compromise, I suggest you make them all the same. Perhaps take the middle ground, and give them all the prize support that My Cards Constructed currently has.

Again, I realize you're busy, sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks in advance for taking some action on this!

Best Regards,

Sgt. Draino

Let's all follow Eukalyptus's example! Post here once you've emailed MarcinS!

ETA: Wow, in my email I say I don't think it's reasonable that Sealed has 3x the prize support of All Cards. I keep forgetting that Sealed actually has 6x the prize support of All Cards, and My Cards has 3x the prize support of all cards. I can't help it, that just seems totally absurd to me.

[Cthulhu]

Hello,

I'd like to turn your attention to some concerning matters regarding Gemp's tournament side.  Its been 2 months since reset  ("Give it a month. Or better 2" – Merrick_H when I pointed to him that no one plays any tournaments after reset  due to high entry fee/prizes ratio) and there has been a single Movie Daily fired and not that many more FotR ones either. Now I know you care about the MyCards and tournament aspect on Gemp in general (you've  put in a lot of work and support for them to exist), and it clearly needs some help now, after 2 resets in less than a year.
 
I understand that you and the admins want people to collect slower this time, and I'm perfectly  fine with that, but making Dailys not so attractive  way to spend your time, and the All Cards tourneys a totaly waste of time, along with turning Tengwars, once the most exciting prize on Gemp into complete rubbish, doesn't help with that cause.

The entry fee of All Cards 1 serie-leagues  and the prizes for multiple series All Cards Leagues need some re-examination as well ( though keeping their lowest status amongst leagues), but that's  really not as important and troublesome as the already mentioned things.  Dailys have always been the backbone of MyCards, and now are on their way to extinction! I don't  think that making the fee 5 gold or so, or even removing it entirely and slightly reducing the prizes will make anyone rich anytime soon. At the moment you have to Top 4 to nett some profit, and that turns new players off.  All Cards tourneys on the other hand are completely unplayable with the current fee/prizes ratio.

Lastly, Tengwars. I don't think that making them back to MyCards in a month or 2 will give anyone some advantage, I'll have all mine as regular cards way before that time.

So thanks for reading all that text, Its just because I like the tournament aspect of Gemp and would like to enjoy it for a long time.

[daisukeman]

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While I have seen that the new merchant scheme does work to avoid exploits, I think dailies are now stuck behind.
These rarely start up, and I believe the major problem is that joining to end up on a -2 gold is not as attractive when achieving top places is unlikely for most players.

So I think that a good solution should boost prizes (especially for the last player so that there is no gold loss) to encourage joining, but this solution needs to also solve/avoid the "everyone-join-and-then-drop" kind of thing.
My proposal would be to give out prizes according to # of wins.
Say, for example:

0 wins -> 2 boosters, 2 common foil, 1 uncommon foil
1 win -> 4 boosters, 2 common foil, 1 uncommon foil
2 wins -> 6 boosters, 2 common foil, 1 uncommon foil
3 wins -> 10 boosters, 2 common foil, 1 uncommon foil, 1 rare foil
* more than 3 wins -> increment prize by 2 boosters per win from the 3-win prize
* player ending up in second place gets a 1 rare foil bonus

Something like that.. (probably you can think of a better distribution than me).
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[sgtdraino]

Thanks for continuing to bug MarcinS, guys. I've given one gold to each person who's emailed him.

[Cthulhu]

Dailys are free once again! Thanks to everyone who took time to write to MarcinS, as he does listen to players' voice, and make sure to join the Movie Daily tonight!

[sgtdraino]

Dailys are free once again! Thanks to everyone who took time to write to MarcinS, as he does listen to players' voice,

Sometimes he does. I was hoping for a LOT more action than that, though. Single-elimination tournaments are still essentially unplayable, and the prize support structure for leagues is still completely ridiculous. My Cards should not be 3x more than All cards, Sealed should not be 6x more than All Cards. It does not require six times as much skill to play Sealed, as it does to play All Cards. It does not take three times as much skill to play My Cards. If anything, it's all backwards: All Cards requires more skill than either of the other two.

And there is basically no competitive option for Expanded other than the occasional League, even though it is the 2nd-most played format.

and make sure to join the Movie Daily tonight!

Have the Movie Dailies been firing? My impression is that they generally still aren't getting enough players to run. Fellowship seems like the only Daily that's getting enough players to run... though I don't think I will ever understand the appeal of that extremely limited format.