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October 15, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
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Re: Deep Questions Seemingly Unanswerable
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2008, 03:07:18 PM »
We have Primary for the kids (3-11) and then either Young Women's or Young Men's (12-18) for teenagers. Young men at the age of 19 can serve a mission for the Church, often abroad. I served my mission in Vancouver Canada. On the other hand, my older brother went to London and my younger brother is in Leeds England. I got the better deal lol!
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October 17, 2008, 12:42:04 PM
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« Reply #106 on: October 17, 2008, 12:42:04 PM »
For us, our main Sunday meeting is called Sacrament meeting, and there we take bread and water to represent the blood and body of Christ. We also dont believe in transubstatiation.

Why water? I mean, it's pretty readily apparent why people might argue not to use wine, and have grape juice instead, but as I recall, the original Greek refers to the drink used as (roughly translated) "fruit of the vine." (I could be wrong there.) Is there a particular reason you use water, as opposed to some sorta grape juice/wine, or is it more like "any sort of drink will work as a symbol, and water is a pretty basic, cheap drink, and no-one's allergic to it" sort of thing?
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October 17, 2008, 01:10:02 PM
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Re: Deep Questions Seemingly Unanswerable
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2008, 01:10:02 PM »
Yeah water is the generally used, but like you said AD as long as the message is being delivered and received in the right way, you could use 7-Up if you were so inclined! We dont drink alcohol as part of our beliefs, so that plays into the no wine aspect as well.
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October 17, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
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Re: Deep Questions Seemingly Unanswerable
« Reply #108 on: October 17, 2008, 03:46:06 PM »
But Jesus drank wine, so why no alcohol?

October 18, 2008, 05:34:32 AM
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Re: Deep Questions Seemingly Unanswerable
« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2008, 05:34:32 AM »
But Jesus drank wine, so why no alcohol?

amen! at least with my church it's so people who have taken vows not to drink alcohol, or who think it is "bad". i personally think alcohol in moderation is fine, jesus seemed to think so.

October 18, 2008, 09:16:07 AM
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« Reply #110 on: October 18, 2008, 09:16:07 AM »
But Jesus drank wine, so why no alcohol?

Well, again, as I recall the original Greek was "fruit of the vine," as far as communion goes, but the first miracle (water --> wine at the wedding) was most distinctly wine.
And I have actually heard some legitimate arguments for not drinking alcohol at all without actually saying that alcohol is inherently bad. Being that while it's not inherently bad, it's better to not even put yourself in the situation where you would potentially cross the line of moderation, intentionally or not.

That said, I actually like wine. And yes, I only drink it when it's legal, thank-you-very-much. (Ie, when I'm in Canada or Britain with a lower drinking age, or at Communion....)
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October 23, 2008, 02:31:07 PM
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« Reply #111 on: October 23, 2008, 02:31:07 PM »
exactly. and there are tons of good reasons for not drinking, but that should only be used as personal conviction. each person has to decide for himself.

personally, i don't like wine.

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October 24, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
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« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2008, 10:43:38 AM »
Neither do I but I am in agreement with mm and AD on that while drinking in moderation is fine  so is conviction not to drink. Because temptation is deadly thing.   
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