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January 14, 2009, 01:56:23 PM
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QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« on: January 14, 2009, 01:56:23 PM »
I've always had this doubt:
1) Could you heal unique minions??
Suppose you play Lurtz and some condition that requires an exertion on that character. Then, heal it??
(Or more so, if the minion is around following the fellowship because it moved again in regroup and you get a second copy... )

2) This is just more of a thought. How come decipher makes cards such as: http://www.lotrtcgwiki.com/pages/LOTR10008.html and http://www.lotrtcgwiki.com/pages/LOTR10106.html when the ruling clearly states that one cannot see the opponent's discard pile. It's un-clever because it just helps cheating or making mistakes.

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January 14, 2009, 02:02:06 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 02:02:06 PM »
You can heal unique minions.

January 14, 2009, 02:03:49 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 02:03:49 PM »
1) No, you can not heal a unique minion by discarding a copy of this minion from hand (if this was asked).

2) Well, i think, you have to show all cards, you need to count for cirdan etc...
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January 14, 2009, 02:04:50 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 02:04:50 PM »
No, you cannot heal unique minions, or it must be part of the gametext. Like some Enduring nazguls, some conditions and events. Other than that, you cannot heal by discarding another copy. I'm very sure about this, allthough I cannot back this up with parts of rulebooks and such. This is because I can't open either rulebook, as they can be found in Archives in Minas Tirith....

And about those cards, if you want to use their text, you must show as much cards as you want to use. For instance, if you want to make a minion less strong with Cirdan, you need to show as much events as you want to use.
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January 14, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 02:56:14 PM »
The rule for healing unique characters only applies to Companions and Allies, not Minions

If you were at a tournament and someone played Chance Observation or Cirdan, The Shipwright you could ask the umpire to verify the persons discard pile. In casual play I would hope your opponent would be gracious enough to oblige you.

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January 14, 2009, 03:07:52 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 03:07:52 PM »
What you are wanting to do with unique minions is only a Fellowship action. From the rulebook:

"Discard to heal." Spot a unique companion or unique ally with at least one wound and discard a card from your hand with the same card title (it may have a different subtitle) to heal that character.

Also, take note that you CANNOT discard a companion to heal an unwounded companion.

January 15, 2009, 07:36:22 AM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 07:36:22 AM »
Also, take note that you CANNOT discard a companion to heal an unwounded companion.

what-the? this last thing is a shock,.. we do it all the time followed by the principle that if you pay the cost, it doesn't matters that you get the effect. By quoting the ruling I see you are right, mainly we didn't check out the sentence throughly and just though the cost was spotting an unique companion or ally and the effect was optional (removing a wound)...
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January 15, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 08:37:54 AM »
Also, 2 other quick questions:
1) Does •Gandalf, Friend of the Shirefolk 's stregnth increases with only companions? I mean if he's the only companion (besides frodo) can he boost his strength by spotting allies such as: •Thrarin, Dwarven Smith, •Elrond, Lord of Rivendell, and •Barliman Butterbur, Prancing Pony Proprietor? (or does the word fellowship implies the actual traveling companion gang...)

PD= Same with One of You Must Do This

2) Which card is discarded and which one is taking into the shadow's player (this doesn't seem to matter much but I'd like to know for the understanding of these actions mechanism..) when:
a Goblin Scavengers is played bringing an Goblin Scimitar and there's a •Greatest Kingdom of My People in play. Is the top card of the deck discarded and then the next one drawn, or is it something someone can choose..

PD= I've been discarding •Greatest Kingdom of My People AND a top deck card whenever a Goblin Warrior is played. I want to make sure it's right.

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January 15, 2009, 08:44:55 AM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 08:44:55 AM »
Also, 2 other quick questions:
1) Does •Gandalf, Friend of the Shirefolk 's stregnth increases with only companions? I mean if he's the only companion (besides frodo) can he boost his strength by spotting allies such as: •Thrarin, Dwarven Smith, •Elrond, Lord of Rivendell, and •Barliman Butterbur, Prancing Pony Proprietor? (or does the word fellowship implies the actual traveling companion gang...)

PD= Same with One of You Must Do This

I'm not sure. I know nowadays it excludes minions (because there ARE Men that are minions...) but I'm not sure whether it affects allies.

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2) Which card is discarded and which one is taking into the shadow's player (this doesn't seem to matter much but I'd like to know for the understanding of these actions mechanism..) when:
a Goblin Scavengers is played bringing an Goblin Scimitar and there's a •Greatest Kingdom of My People in play. Is the top card of the deck discarded and then the next one drawn, or is it something someone can choose..

I think the top card is discarded, and then one is drawn.

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PD= I've been discarding •Greatest Kingdom of My People AND a top deck card whenever a Goblin Warrior is played. I want to make sure it's right.

I'm pretty sure it is.
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January 15, 2009, 09:23:54 AM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 09:23:54 AM »
Allies are no part of your fellowship, so they can't be spotted for those particalar cards..I think I agree again with Elf_Lvr when it comes to the explaination of those situations, cause I'm not entirely sure about the wording of 'Each Time' and 'When'...and like I said, I'm not able to open the CRD :(
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January 15, 2009, 10:17:47 AM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 10:17:47 AM »
Allies are no part of your fellowship

Is that written explicitly in the rule book?

About the order, I really don't know. I'd dare to say that the card drawing from the scimitar should be the last to resolve, 'cause all "when you play" actions involving the scavenger should be resolved first, but that's just a guess. I don't think the rule book goes that far.

January 15, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 01:24:25 PM »
Well it wouldn't make sense, for you only add twilight for your fellowshipmembers....
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January 15, 2009, 03:14:44 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 03:14:44 PM »
I can't really quote the Rulebook as I have no idea where mine is, but yes, it DID say in the FotR Rulebook, at least, that allies were not part of the fellowship.

January 15, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2009, 05:28:31 PM »
Also, 2 other quick questions:
1) Does •Gandalf, Friend of the Shirefolk 's stregnth increases with only companions? I mean if he's the only companion (besides frodo) can he boost his strength by spotting allies such as: •Thrarin, Dwarven Smith, •Elrond, Lord of Rivendell, and •Barliman Butterbur, Prancing Pony Proprietor? (or does the word fellowship implies the actual traveling companion gang...)

PD= Same with One of You Must Do This
Yep, definitely cannot spot allies. "In the fellowship" means they must be one of your 9 allotted companions.

2) Which card is discarded and which one is taking into the shadow's player (this doesn't seem to matter much but I'd like to know for the understanding of these actions mechanism..) when:
a Goblin Scavengers is played bringing an Goblin Scimitar and there's a •Greatest Kingdom of My People in play. Is the top card of the deck discarded and then the next one drawn, or is it something someone can choose..
My instinct in this case (and it's only instinct and that's likely going to be the best that you're going to get) is that first the Orc enters the void and is then played triggering the movement of the scimitar into the void and also triggering GKoMP. Then the scimitar leaves the void and enters play so you draw a card.

PD= I've been discarding •Greatest Kingdom of My People AND a top deck card whenever a Goblin Warrior is played. I want to make sure it's right.
Now these effects happen simultaneously as they both trigger off playing the goblin. So I think you do both.

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January 15, 2009, 05:38:57 PM
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Re: QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING...
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 05:38:57 PM »
Sicne all he's getting is instant, I'd just go with APNAP from MtG, at least it gives a solution for cases like this that's going to work every time. Even though, seeing as another card game already has a solution for these situations, I DO believe LotR ALSO had one. I actually recall reading something about it back in the day, althgouh it COULD have been a complaint for not having a way to solve it...