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January 21, 2009, 11:07:41 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2009, 11:07:41 PM »
Ethical discussions are never to be taken lightly...Eventhough I'm pro-life.

But other than that, I heard McCain in the Senate and it was impressive. The people want us to work together, and want us to work. I really liked it, and there seems to be somekind of spirit.....
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January 22, 2009, 06:08:29 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2009, 06:08:29 PM »
Ethical discussions are never to be taken lightly...Eventhough I'm pro-life.

But other than that, I heard McCain in the Senate and it was impressive. The people want us to work together, and want us to work. I really liked it, and there seems to be somekind of spirit.....
Yea, I like that too.
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January 24, 2009, 02:43:25 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2009, 02:43:25 PM »
Wow how did someone so young become so cynical? Try having so Hope and positivity. 

I'm not cynical, I'd prefer you to say 'rational'. I'm just reminding everyone to look at things logically
instead of getting swept of in the tide of 'feel-good' hope. You're basically accusing me of being cynical because I'm thinking with my brain instead of my emotions.

Even if you don't have faith that Obama knows what he is doing have faith in Gods wisdom cos he is the one who has placed Obama where he is.

I do have faith in God's providence. The fact that God placed Obama in a place of power is no guarantee that Obama will do a good job, after all, every leader in all of history has been placed in a position of power, Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Nero, Charlemagne, Edward I, Henry VIII, Montezuma, George Washington, Bismarck, Hitler, Winston Churchill, etc... The point is, there have been good and bad leaders and they were all placed their for a purpose, whether it be for good or ill.

January 27, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2009, 04:33:49 PM »
I wonder how many of you American guys realise how important Obama is for the rest of the world. Not for a long time have the hopes of the entire world been placed on 1 man. You'll notice how when Bush was around, the whole of Europe was going around saying "We hate America" and since Obama's been elected everyone has suddenly changed tact to "We love America! Woo, change! Woo, Obama!" If Obama can do even half the things he said he was intending to do, he'll leave a much better world behind him. I want to believe in him because I think the world needs to believe in him, because for once he's actually given us hope that the world can change for the better.

People have told me to consider Obama rationally. I say, screw rationality! I can believe in whatever the heck I want, and I want, I need, to believe that Obama can change the world, that he's the genuine article, that he has good solid and ethical principles and will stick to them. Obviously I may be disappointed (though I hope I'm not and that's something to judge four years down the line, certainly not now), but I think with the world in the state that it is right now, it's far more important to have a symbol of hope than to just tear him down without even giving him a chance.

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January 27, 2009, 05:19:03 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2009, 05:19:03 PM »
His policies say otherwise.

January 27, 2009, 05:55:42 PM
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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2009, 05:55:42 PM »
I wonder how many of you American guys realise how important Obama is for the rest of the world. Not for a long time have the hopes of the entire world been placed on 1 man. You'll notice how when Bush was around, the whole of Europe was going around saying "We hate America" and since Obama's been elected everyone has suddenly changed tact to "We love America! Woo, change! Woo, Obama!" .If Obama can do even half the things he said he was intending to do, he'll leave a much better world behind him. I want to believe in him because I think the world needs to believe in him, because for once he's actually given us hope that the world can change for the better.

I truly do not know what everyone is so exited about. Obama's just another honey-tongued liberal who appeals to the masses because he promises free welfare hand-outs deducted from the average Joe's hard-earned money.
Thran, I want to tell you something important. An overwhelming percentage of the news media of the United States is essentially a propaganda tool of the Democrat party. They are praising Obama, and telling the world that the world loves Obama because he is a Democrat, and because they know people will believe them. For 8 long years the media condemned Bush, in everything that he did, because he was a Republican. They even went so far as to tell everyone that everyone else hates Bush, and thus Bush was hated. You see, it works like this. If you are told that everyone else hates a certain person, you will probably believe it, even though those people are also being told that everyone else hates that person. Bush was hated so irrationally  for the same reason that Obama is loved so irrationally; because the media told them to.

People have told me to consider Obama rationally. I say, screw rationality! I can believe in whatever the heck I want, and I want, I need, to believe that Obama can change the world, that he's the genuine article, that he has good solid and ethical principles and will stick to them. Obviously I may be disappointed (though I hope I'm not and that's something to judge four years down the line, certainly not now), but I think with the world in the state that it is right now, it's far more important to have a symbol of hope than to just tear him down without even giving him a chance.

Just my :gp: :gp:

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The last person who had so much irrational hope vested in them was named Hitler. Adolf Hitler.
He was born to an poor civil servant in Austria. He came from relative obscurity to become
the German Chancellor, and later a totalitarian leader. He promised change, hope, and spoke of returning to Germany's roots, and rebuilding a Greater Germany. Sound familiar?

I have to ask you this: Do you agree with Obama's views? Does what you want to see match up with what you really see?
I can choose to believe in an all-powerful invisible flying frying pan because I want or need to, but that doesn't make it any more real. From now on, every time someone pulls this nonsense I'm going to start seeing the all-powerful frying pan. Who cares whether it exists, I need it to exist... 


January 27, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2009, 06:06:37 PM »
 Gate Troll is dead on. I don't think you rest of the world realizes just how bad and slanted the Media is. You also need to realize that The Media HATES Republicans. The fact that they gave the Bush twins NO privacy and Chelsey Clinton a Ton of privacy and they will probably give Obama's girls a lot of privacy.

 I have 1 question for the European guys.

 "Over the last 20 years what do you think has been wrong with America. That covers 3 President's, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, and George H. W. Bush."
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January 27, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2009, 06:16:44 PM »
The last person who had so much irrational hope vested in them was named Hitler. Adolf Hitler.
He was born to an poor civil servant in Austria. He came from relative obscurity to become
the German Chancellor, and later a totalitarian leader. He promised change, hope, and spoke of returning to Germany's roots, and rebuilding a Greater Germany. Sound familiar?
We are so not bringing Hitler into this - it's a completely different epoch and a completely different story. You know who else had so much "irrational hope": Churchill. Was he a good man? Yes, yes he was.

I have to ask you this: Do you agree with Obama's views? Does what you want to see match up with what you really see?
Yes, I'm not afraid to say that I believe with basically all of Obama's views and Obama's policies. Call me a socialist or a communist or whatever, but I wholeheartedly believe that he is the right person to lead America at this time and that George W. Bush was the worst president in recent history. And this is not irrational, this is looking at the evidence and the policies and weighing it up.

January 27, 2009, 06:24:17 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2009, 06:24:17 PM »
So keeping the USA safe is being a bad president?

You must understand that I do not think that he was the best president ever (I actually disagree with him on many issues), but he has done a good job protecting us from terrorists, and it seems that everybody forgets that.
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January 27, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2009, 06:31:04 PM »
So keeping the USA safe is being a bad president?
Oh so it's okay to keep the USA safe by starting and promoting wars all across the world leading to the deaths of thousands of innocent people and maybe a handful of terrorists that will simply get martyred and replaced by willing recruits united in their hatred of America? You can't fight terrorists with war, it doesn't work! "War on Terror" is a meaningless statement because terrorists don't fight wars. Military tactics simply don't hold water against people who won't fight you openhanded. Okay, I suppose his approach had to be tried, but I think it's getting proved time and time again that it's the wrong approach. Surely it's time for something else, isn't it?

January 27, 2009, 06:37:07 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2009, 06:37:07 PM »
The problem is that the terrorists often use tactics that put them in places that civilians are. Take Israel for example: Terrorists were shooting missiles into their country, so Israel reacted by bombing the terrorists. It was not their fault that the civilians died, but rather the fault of the terrorists. I wonder which side the media picked, though.

January 27, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2009, 07:11:21 PM »
The last person who had so much irrational hope vested in them was named Hitler. Adolf Hitler.
He was born to an poor civil servant in Austria. He came from relative obscurity to become
the German Chancellor, and later a totalitarian leader. He promised change, hope, and spoke of returning to Germany's roots, and rebuilding a Greater Germany. Sound familiar?
We are so not bringing Hitler into this - it's a completely different epoch and a completely different story. You know who else had so much "irrational hope": Churchill. Was he a good man? Yes, yes he was.

First, I'm not bringing Hitler into this, I'm simply making a point. Second, millions of Brits didn't line up in front if Churchill and shout 'Hail Churchill'.

January 27, 2009, 07:21:40 PM
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Re: the new president
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2009, 07:21:40 PM »
Which TOTALLY neuters your first sentence of "I'm not bringing Hitler into this". I mean, seriously, if you're "just making a point", I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you failed miseably, since Thranduil's rebutal WAS legit and DID adress your "point", so that you had to go down to "Hail Hitler".
Oh, and btw, I'm sorry but I don't see the SLIGHTEST problem in "Hailing" your leader, I think people (and mostly north-americans, of all people) need to learn to judge stuff, and to separate stuff, specially.

January 27, 2009, 07:37:16 PM
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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2009, 07:37:16 PM »
Which TOTALLY neuters your first sentence of "I'm not bringing Hitler into this". I mean, seriously, if you're "just making a point", I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you failed miseably, since Thranduil's rebutal WAS legit and DID adress your "point", so that you had to go down to "Hail Hitler".
Oh, and btw, I'm sorry but I don't see the SLIGHTEST problem in "Hailing" your leader, I think people (and mostly north-americans, of all people) need to learn to judge stuff, and to separate stuff, specially.

I'm not making Hitler the main point, I'm using Hitler as an example of a person that was irrationally followed.
There is no problem with 'hailing' your leader; there is however a problem with something like this:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reichsparteitagnov1935.jpg

I was just using Hitler as an example. Are you happy now?

January 28, 2009, 03:42:13 AM
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« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2009, 03:42:13 AM »
Maybe people do "believe in" Obama irrationally. I'll give you that. There's a lot of hype for this guy that probably isn't true.

GT, what specifically do you not like about Obama? I mean, we can go back and forth with Hitler-arguments, I'm sure, but talk policy.

And yes, I'm aware that what he claims he's going to do isn't what he's gonna do %100. But you can't hate a person because he could be a liar. That's irrational.

And mean.

Are you religious at all, GT? It's off topic but I'm wondering. You seem to have beef with misplaced faith.
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