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February 03, 2009, 05:44:34 PM
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Broken Token
« on: February 03, 2009, 05:44:34 PM »
Those who have played this deck think that it is broken, but I prefer to think that I'm just clever. :P I currently have it paired with Corsair for certain cycling / discard playing reasons, but you may find a better way. Now just don't use it against me! Card numbers are tight, but it works (35 total each side):

FREEPS:
Galadriel, Bearer of Wisdom
The One Ring, The Ring of Rings

1x 14R2Elladan, Son of Elrond (starting)
1x 14R3Elrohir, Son of Elrond (starting)
4x 18R12Gil-galad, High King of the Noldor
2x 18R11Galadriel's Silver Ewer
2x 15U16Gift of the Evenstar, Blessed Light
1x 18R7Celebring, Elven-smith
3x 18U8 Elven Armaments
2x 13R10Asfaloth, Swift Blossom
2x 7U15Ancient Blade
2x 13C13 Crashing Cavalry
2x 7C23 Into the West
3x 7R24 Leaving Forever
2x 11U26Uncertain Future
4x 7C29 Still Needed
4x 7C30 Uncertain Paths

SHADOW:
3x 8R51Castamir of Umbar
3x 10C37 Corsair Boatswain
2x 10R38 Corsair Brute
3x 8C54 Corsair Freebooter
4x 8R57 Corsair Marauder
3x 8C58 Corsair Plunderer
3x 10U39 Corsair Ruffian
4x 8C50 Black Sails of Umbar
1x 8U59 Corsair War Galley
2x 8R65 Ships of Great Draught
3x 10R46 Quelled
4x 8C66 Wind That Sped Ships

Basics:
You must get a few cards in play for this to work, and play it a bit by ear until you do. Namely, these are Galadriel's Silver Ewer, Gift of the Evenstar, Blessed Light, and of course, Gil-galad, High King of the Noldor. You can survive OK without the Ewer if you get Uncertain Future, but the latter is much easier for your opponent to discard.

Full Rundown:
*Celebring, ES helps with getting artifacts outs; Elven Armaments is a good all-around booster that helps vs. archery.
*Gil-galad takes Elvents into hand during Manuever.
*Elvents and twin bros both are powerful and add tokens. Overwhelm minions, unless they are fierce.
*Asfaloth, Swift Blossom heals with tokens. Overwhelm fierce minions on second skirmish. ;)
*Recycle Still Needed if you don't have Gil-galad and Into the West yet (or if you want it with Leaving Forever).
*REGROUP MADNESS:

Once you have the setup you need, you'll be putting out very little twilight (if any) in the Fellowship phase. Discard extra copies of conditions you want to play during regroup if you have them in discard already (one use for Corsair Plunderer in my shadow pair). After everything you want is in discard, your doubling ability is very high. Facing an opponent's discard deck may actually help your cause! :)

Let me know your thoughts. ;D
« Last Edit: February 03, 2009, 08:20:02 PM by Kralik »

February 03, 2009, 08:06:24 PM
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Re: Standard Brokenness (Freeps only)
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 08:06:24 PM »
Hey, another one using leaving forever! Yes, it makes fun. Well, I do not think that it is broken..but it is a very strong combo.
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February 03, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
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Re: Standard Brokenness (Freeps only)
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 08:11:36 PM »
It's not really "unlimited combo" broken, but it may be a tad OP. :P It's self-sustaining!

February 03, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
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Re: Broken Token (Freeps only)
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 08:19:27 PM »
Yes, there are other cards that discard minions in regroup.

Drawing cards like Move this way or the horn deck are same "near broken".

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February 03, 2009, 08:22:49 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 08:22:49 PM »
I've used a deck very similiar to this one, though leaving forever is a very interesting addition that I may want to consider. :gp:
« Last Edit: February 03, 2009, 08:37:06 PM by MR. Lurtzy »

February 03, 2009, 08:29:26 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 08:29:26 PM »
Ah, Elrohir figured out a way to make it "truly" broken, but I'll leave it to him to announce if he wants. :)

February 03, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 08:34:28 PM »
Well, we should hope, our opponent will never play foot of mount doom. This makes the excessive strategy a bit ... weak.
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February 03, 2009, 11:56:42 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 11:56:42 PM »
Ooh... interesting choice using Elladan and Elrohir. The Leaving Forever decks I've seen have been spamming Elven Marksmanship to give 10+ archery a site. I'll have to playtest this puppy. ;D

February 04, 2009, 03:40:40 AM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 03:40:40 AM »
  Yeah, pretty annoying this elven deck if you ask me  :uh-huh:

  There are some evil ways of shutting him down with some sitepath manipulation and there are always some nasty shadows that do their tricks even before skirmishes. But this Gil-Ga.. i mean...deck pretty much discard all conditions, remove all threats, heal all companions and overwhelm one or two minions with tons of event you get back adding threats. I always foun the regroup hability of the new Gil pretty OP (yeah, the maneuver too) but that was almost like fruity loops.

  Of course there are some ways to kill it, but i don't like the idea to make an deck specific to kill another (like i had to back in the Lady Redeemed days) or you will just sit and watch while your shadow strategy goes to the thin. Or maybe you got lucky and kill Gil at site 2 with some nasty evil combo before he evens get a chance of doing his tricks.

   Anyway, i must say that even i don't like in some way i have to admit is a nice deck! Maybe i'm just a little sad for being completely butchered by Gil and his twin grandsons  ;) 

   The good thing is that it motivates me to try harder some standard deck that is actually good.

February 04, 2009, 05:29:29 AM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 05:29:29 AM »
Well, we should hope, our opponent will never play foot of mount doom. This makes the excessive strategy a bit ... weak.

It would crimp it for a turn, but shouldn't be too bad. You only need one Leaving Forever in discard, and you could play Still Needed to your draw deck.

February 04, 2009, 05:54:39 AM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 05:54:39 AM »
A change that may be better:

Take out Ancient Blade, and use:

4x Still Needed
3x Uncertain Paths
3x Fleet-footed

I'm not so sure Ancient Blade is as useful as all that, since it would require 2 regroup actions to use (and by that point, your opponent has had a chance for theirs). Leaving Forever as good as reconciles your hand, and with more Elvents (and especially Fleet-footed) you shouldn't be seeing too many minions in regroup.

EDIT: Perhaps pair with a site-control shadow and Fleet-footed will be awesome! Imagine 7x Elvents stacked on your deck, 1 goes to bottom for Into the West, and you draw 6 for double move with Leaving Forever. Then 3 Uncertain Paths with Gil-Galad... mmmmmmm.... ;)
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 06:05:10 AM by Kralik »

February 04, 2009, 01:10:44 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 01:10:44 PM »
i don't think that this deck is broken...only OP imho...there are certain ways to destroy it...maybe i will try them when i face kralik again...

February 04, 2009, 02:16:20 PM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 02:16:20 PM »
i don't think that this deck is broken...only OP imho...there are certain ways to destroy it...maybe i will try them when i face kralik again...

Flash beat me by running with his Freeps, but the deck does perform much better now that I added Asfaloth SB for healing. :)

February 05, 2009, 06:15:02 AM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 06:15:02 AM »
EDIT: Perhaps pair with a site-control shadow and Fleet-footed will be awesome! Imagine 7x Elvents stacked on your deck, 1 goes to bottom for Into the West, and you draw 6 for double move with Leaving Forever. Then 3 Uncertain Paths with Gil-Galad... mmmmmmm.... ;)

But I'm pretty sure you can't spot sites you have in your supportarea that you have controlled in your shadow phase...Sorry
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February 05, 2009, 06:34:25 AM
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Re: Broken Token
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 06:34:25 AM »
   I'm sure that we have some shadows that just tottaly kills elven tokens, but that's only 10% of the shadows. So that's why i hate soo much the New Gil-Galad and Silver Ewer cause decks like this force you to play some kinds of decks. Anyway, i will stick with my old Standard decks and try to make a decent one...  :up: