Player's Committee.....

[sickofpalantirs]

I guess I will continue playing without the PC's rules then.

why? so you can use broken cards and combos?

[MR. Lurtzy]

To each his own.

[Jerba]

To each his own.

Just remember: if any card would be changed it is for the good of the game. Many factors have to be weighed when changing a card. Balance, availability of the card, counters, new players, old players, backlash, etc. No card will be changed without reason. If a precious Hunter block card would be changed it is so that the game is more fun, more accessible, and therefore more welcoming to every breed of player.

Also, I think as FEW cards as possible, if any, will be errattaed. Do as little harm as possible should be the goal. But some trade-offs will be made. You could change a few cards and advance the game with more players OR not change anything and wait for the game to continue to die.

[MR. Lurtzy]

What cards would be top priority for being banned?

[TheJord]

There is only one genuinly broken combo in Standard and that is the Horn deck. Nothing else filters the deck except Gil-Galad and Leaving Forever, and thats a regroup loop that needs setup.

[HawkeyeSPF]

Yes, Lurtzy, it'll affect Hunters Block, but you can be sure that the PC will only change cards that need change, and that those changes will not negatively affect any play environment, be it Standard, Expanded, Open, Draft, or Block.

The Horn deck will definitely receive some type of errata. Loops of that sort will not be welcome in any format. Frenzy of Arrows is another that will get consideration. Decipher simply didn't have the manpower or time to fix that one properly.

[Olorin]

What cards would be top priority for being banned?

Now... there are some cards which should have never been printed like

- Madril DoO
- Gil-Galad High-King of the Noldor
- Elven Armaments
- Frenzy of Arrows
- Namarie
- and some others... these ARE ABSOLUTELY BROKEN!

then there are some others where the cost/use realtion is not balanced, like the all the horns... they need twilight cost 1 at least instead of 0

then there are some cards which are very very strong:

- Aragorn Thorongil (if you don't play against hunters, he is strength 10 basically, vitality 4, resistance 8, ranger with a powerful ability and it is Aragorn itself)
- Glorfindel Eldarin Lord
- Gothmog Morgul Leader (he is far to strong with strength 15... so much archery... and then play minions from discard pile...)
- Galadriel's Silver Ewer (Galadriel became a to strong and to powerful ringbearer - hardly to kill or to corrupt)
- Rumil Silvan Elf
- Orophin Silvan Elf

then there are some cards which are to weak, like

- ents marching
- drawn to full height
- Ulaire Attea Desirous of Power
- Miruvore
- and:
Ents in general are far to weak!
Men are to weak!

In each set there are some more useful/powerful cards and some cards which aren't used often... but these examples listed here are real major problems

[Elrohir]

Well, wether the horn deck, nor the Gil-Galad combo should be changed. The hunters block is balanced, as it is the standard format.

Be aware: do NOT change cards! That would divide the playership and ruin the game. As I have said before, the horn deck and even the troll swarm are not overpowered!
Card changing can not be handled by players, because it is a subjectif view of sight.

There is just one thing to change, indeed, I think : "Frenzy of arrows". And for this, I would suggst to get 150 subscriptions of players all over the world (do not forget Asia!!!) to accept the new card.

And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.

Election would be nice.

[Jerba]

Well, wether the horn deck, nor the Gil-Galad combo should be changed. The hunters block is balanced, as it is the standard format.

Be aware: do NOT change cards! That would divide the playership and ruin the game. As I have said before, the horn deck and even the troll swarm are ot overpowered!

There is just one thing to change, indeed, I think : "Frenzy of arrows".

And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.

Election would be nice.

Decipher will NOT work with us on rules questions. They will not fix things. Period. They could care less. Its no longer there problem as we've seen over the last few years. They don't have any LOTR experts left nor the incentive to help.  Their "blessing" will be nothing more than permission to use their template if we're lucky imo. Remember its D that ruined the game, it won't have been the PC.

As for changing cards, somethings will have to be handled. Plus, its these attitudes that have prevented, to some degree, the PC from moving forward. Whats the purpose of the PC if it can't fix some things? I don't have any card in my sights here. But you guys who can't stand the thought of change: What is the purpose of the PC in your opinion?

[MR. Lurtzy]

I would agree that Frenzy of Arrows needs to be changed (I usually change all the 2s to 1), DoO should be changed and I think that Namarie should probably be unique... but besides those three, I don't think that there should be any changes.

[Rathmaker]

Holy cow I come back to this thread and it is 2 pages!  Unfortunately, it is looking like a PC is not getting off the ground.  So Decipher took the time and effort to get the Star Trek PC off the ground, yet not LOTR?  That is NOT meant to start anything...I am just curious if this is what happened?

[HawkeyeSPF]

Actually, the Trek CC (trekcc.org) started all on its own without explicit permission from either Decipher or Paramount. They got the template files straight from Brad Defruiter, who used to be in charge of design for trek. So far, they have managed not to piss off either D or Paramount, but they run the risk of doing so and being shut down.

[Elessar's Socks]

And, if Decipher gets ready with Fight Klub: Collect all rule questions with examples, so we can give them to decipher.

Can't think of many standing issues that have come down to "just make a call, any call" (Helpless comes to mind). Which ones were you thinking of?

The comprehensive rulebook could always use some updating/consolidation: the stuff from Hunters, rulings from CRDs, plus several places that could be clarified. Maybe all of it can be gathered in an unofficial FAQ in the interim.

[Malachi]

I belive that the rules SW TCG PC is using for themselves are the ones LOTR TCG PC should have:

1) They never modify any actually printed card by errata or by making virtual cards with the same titles and images.

2) They never modify any X- and R-list for printed cards, as by the last edition of WOTC ban list.

3) They do create they own virtual cards with new titles and new images. They are using WOTC copyrighted templates and Lucasfilm's images but neither seem to care.

4) They do allow players to play with or without their new cards. That way the purists can still have their own pre-PC "standard" format unchanged, while the rest can experiments with new cards and new mechanics, trying to balance old card or make them playable again.

And yes, I agree with Elrohir, if LOTR PC will start by banning and changing existing cards, it will only alienate players from it. (However Frenzy of Arrows is the notable exception).

[Smeagollum]

Don't ban any cards. Restrict them or give them a plausable errata. Besides that I think we should think of a new gamemechanic. With a new gamemechanic it becomes a new game and if we could get the lisence from new line we can make new cards. will ad more info later.