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June 03, 2008, 07:14:54 AM
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Re: The Way Into Mordor - Isengard (6/4: "Ooh, they look tasty!")
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 07:14:54 AM »
Okay, we'll get back to conditions again soon, but before we get too much further with them, I want to get back to some possessions for our Uruk trackers. Two of these are reprints (well, more like one and a half...you'll see what I mean :roll:), but two are all-new and hopefully pretty cool. You tell me! ;D

[1] Broad-bladed Sword [Isengard] (reprint)
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be an Uruk-hai.
Bearer may not take wounds (except during skirmish phases).
"...Uglúk's followers leaped over him and cut down another with their broad-bladed swords."

The first reprint is from the old Towers block, and yes, I know it is far from tracker-exclusive. In fact, this useful blade can be used by ANY Uruk of ANY culture. That alone makes it worthy of a reprint my mind. But more to the point, the help it offers in preventing wounds is almost tailor-made for trackers, since many of their better abilities (especially with their search conditions) require exerting later in the turn, after the FP player would have a chance to already lay some archery or other wounds on them. This helps swing the tide back in your favor in that regard. :twisted:

[1]Uglúk's Sword, Fearsome Weapon [Isengard]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be an Uruk-hai tracker. Bearer gains hunter 1.
If bearer is Uglúk, he is damage +1.
"‘I am Uglúk. I have spoken.'"

This is the first version of Uglúk's fiersome blade, the first two being the original with its' +3 strength and discard-a-minion-to-play-another trick, and the second being Weapon of Command, with only +1 strength but gaining the wound-preventing text of Broad-bladed Sword and a damage bonus if the bearer is Uglúk himself. This harkens back more the original, with essentially +3 strength again, but also borrows the damage from WoC, turning it into a simple, no frills beatstick, which I think is very appropriate considering Uglúk's penchant for...uh...Vader-style leadership. :roll:

[1] Uruk-hai Bow [Isengard] (reprint from The Road Ahead)
Possession • Ranged Weapon
Bearer must an Uruk-hai.
Bearer gains hunter 1.
If bearer is a tracker, bearer is an archer.
"The hobbits were left with the Isengarders: a grim dark band, four score at least of large, swart, slant-eyed Orcs with great bows...."

That's right...I'm reprinting my own cards now! Hey, if Decipher can do it over and over with Hobbit Sword, I can do a little too. :P In truth, I probably should have saved this exclusively for this set, but I figured the smaller [Isengard] tracker subculture of the last set needed a boost like this, so I jumped the gun and threw it in there. Still makes SO much sense with these new and improved trackers too, however, that I figured I'd just put it in BOTH sets and be done with it. So I did. ;) The only thing different is the lore (which is all new for ALL these cards, even the other reprint above).

[1] Uruk Draught [Isengard]
Possession
Bearer must an Uruk-hai. Limit 1 per bearer.
If played on a tracker, this possession's twilight cost is -1.
Assignment or Regroup: Discard this possession to heal an Uruk-hai or exert a companion bearing an [Isengard] condition.
"Uglúk thrust a flask between his teeth and poured some burning liquid down his throat: he felt a hot fierce glow flow through him. The pain in his legs and ankles vanished. He could stand."

Anyone who's read The Two Towers or seen the extended edition of the film remembers this disturbing slop drink. Much like the "real" thing, this card version can either help out your Uruks or make your opponent's characters more miserable...and on trackers, it's free! :hey:
« Last Edit: June 04, 2008, 07:01:41 AM by DáinIronfoot »
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June 03, 2008, 07:20:52 AM
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All good, but I absolutely wouldn't pay more than [1] for Ugluk's sword, and just so that you know it's not personal, I would also never pay [2] for its reprint in Weapon of Command.

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June 03, 2008, 07:21:24 AM
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[2]Uglúk's Sword, Fearsome Weapon [Isengard]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be an Uruk-hai tracker. Bearer gains hunter 1.
If bearer is Uglúk, he is damage +1.
"‘I am Uglúk. I have spoken.'"

Meh.

[1] Uruk-hai Bow [Isengard] (reprint from The Road Ahead)
Possession • Ranged Weapon
Bearer must an Uruk-hai.
Bearer gains hunter 1.
If bearer is a tracker, bearer is an archer.
"The hobbits were left with the Isengarders: a grim dark band, four score at least of large, swart, slant-eyed Orcs with great bows...."

Never seen this before i dont think, seems a bit on the good side. Especially as trackers dont use archery or bows.

[1] Uruk Draught [Isengard]
Possession
Bearer must an Uruk-hai. Limit 1 per bearer.
If played on a tracker, this possession's twilight cost is -1.
Assignment or Regroup: Discard this possession to heal an Uruk-hai or exert a companion bearing an [Isengard] condition.
"Uglúk thrust a flask between his teeth and poured some burning liquid down his throat: he felt a hot fierce glow flow through him. The pain in his legs and ankles vanished. He could stand."

Fine. The comp exert makes it useful.

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June 03, 2008, 11:11:40 AM
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June 04, 2008, 01:40:48 AM
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But dont i have a point? At what point did any of the trackers you see between captuing merry and pip and getting slaughtered by the rohirrirm, carry or fire bows? Makes no sense.
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June 04, 2008, 03:08:16 AM
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It does from the books when Boromir is killed by a whole load of Uruk trackers with bows.

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June 04, 2008, 03:14:02 AM
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I would like to come back to a point ive made before that the cards are based on the films, if this card was made find me an image from towers film where ugluk and his uruks have a bow.
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June 04, 2008, 03:21:01 AM
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Except that lore comes from the books, including DI's lore on that very same card which clearly states that the Uruks have bows! ;)

I think we can safely leave this argument alone, though - there's not much point arguing over nothing in particular.  :clown:

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June 04, 2008, 03:39:54 AM
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Im not arguing over nothing dude you make a good point but thats why decipher released elves in the bohd expansion cos its based on the films. DI's card makes no sense to me as far as trackers having bows at all. Cos they simply didnt, like i said you wont find a scene to take an image from if you were to make this card.
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June 04, 2008, 06:42:30 AM
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Uh...Lurtz? I know he isn't in The Two Towers, but he's evidence that at least SOME of the Uruks in that group had bows. Big, nasty ones, too. :twisted:

My sets are a mesh of material from the films AND novels though, including some things that only appear in one or the other. Heck, my entire first set was based on events not depicted in ANY film to date, and I have an entire CULTURE that isn't in the films. :P Why the sudden problem with it now?
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June 04, 2008, 06:48:25 AM
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Ok fair enough, but Lurtz isnt a tracker in the games sense. he's never been given that ability, and clearly you are doing ugluk and his men and they arent archers. Thats all my point is.
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June 04, 2008, 06:50:37 AM
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He was a tracker in my last set and no one raised a ruckus then. ;) TWO different versions got it, even!
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June 04, 2008, 06:53:01 AM
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Ok ok fine! Continue....  :roll:
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June 04, 2008, 07:03:04 AM
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Re: The Way Into Mordor - Isengard (6/4: "Ooh, they look tasty!")
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2008, 07:03:04 AM »
Well while we're being controversial, let's get back to another tracker trick...everyone's favorite concept: capturing! :P Now before you scream about how broken capturing and rescuing are, remember that the new and improved concept (described over here) seemed to meet everyone's approval, so keep that in mind as you review. And try to enjoy. :)

[3] Uruk Sentinel [Isengard]
Minion • Uruk-hai
Strength: 6
Vitality: 2
Site: 5
Tracker. Fierce. Hunter 1. To play, spot an [Isengard] minion.
Each time this minion wins a skirmish, you may spot another tracker and exert this minion to capture a companion or ally in that skirmish.
"‘We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man's-flesh to eat.'"

[1] They're Fresh [Isengard]
Event • Shadow
You may discard an [Isengard] card from hand or from play to play this event during the regroup phase.
Spot a captured character in your support area to choose one: play a tracker from your hand or discard pile; or wound that captured character twice.
"‘What about their legs? They don't need those. Ooh, they look tasty.'"
« Last Edit: June 04, 2008, 08:04:25 AM by DáinIronfoot »
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June 04, 2008, 07:07:10 AM
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Re: The Way Into Mordor - Isengard (6/4: "Ooh, they look tasty!")
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2008, 07:07:10 AM »

[3] Uruk Sentinel [Isengard]
Minion • Uruk-hai
Strength: 6
Vitality: 2
Site: 5
Tracker. Fierce. Hunter 1.
Each time this minion wins a skirmish, you may spot another tracker and exert this minion to capture a non-hunter companion or ally in that skirmish.
"‘We took the prisoners. We are the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand: the Hand that gives us man's-flesh to eat.'"

Is it an oversight you havent stated an [Uruk] tracker?

(0) They're Fresh [Isengard]
Event • Shadow
You may discard an [Isengard] card from hand or from play to play this event during the regroup phase.
Spot a captured character in your support area and remove [X] to play or discard a tracker and wound that captured character X times.
"‘What about their legs? They don't need those. Ooh, they look tasty.'"

I see what it does but it gets a bit confusing at the end. Why would you want to wound a comp youve captured?

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