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August 27, 2009, 03:24:35 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2009, 03:24:35 PM »
Still no reviews.  Has this whole dream card thing died?
I think a lot of people are away and/or very busy - including me!

(3) •Eomer, Commander of the Riders of Eastfold [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Each time a site is controlled, heal a Rohan companion.
Skirmish: While you can spot a exhausted minion, exert Eomer to make a [Rohan] companion strength +2.
I'm not sure about the flavour for the first ability - why do Rohirrim like losing sites? Couple of formatting/wording points: twilight uses [] square brackets (ie. [3]), you forgot square brackets round Rohan, and the ability should be worded like "Skirmish: Spot an exhausted minion and exert Eomer to..."

(4) •Gandalf, Exorciser of Evil Things [Rohan]
Companion - Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
To play spot Theoden (or 3 [Rohan] companions).
While you can spot Theoden, Gandalf is strength +1.
Response: Each time a shadow condition is played on or transferred to a [Rohan] Man, exert Gandalf twice to discard it.
Perhaps the subtitle could simply be "Exorcist"? I would make this guy more general - the flavour here is very good, but Gandalf's healing powers are not limited to only [Rohan] Men. I'd so something like:

"Theoden is strength +2.
Response: If a Shadow condition is played on or transferred to another companion, exert Gandalf twice to discard that condition."

That way you can mention Theoden, and also have him useful for other fellowships. And I think I would remove the spotting requirement - after all, Gandalf was around fighting the enemy long before Theoden.

(2) •Grima, Faithful Servant of Rohan [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 4
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 5
To play spot a [Rohan] companion.
Skirmish: If Grima is not assigned to a skirmish and  you have initiative discard 3 cards from hand to make an exhausted minion lose all keyword till the regroup phase.
Very cool, but the problem is of course that playing this companion stops your opponents from playing Grima. Couple ways round this: 1) find another title for the companion (a Smeagol/Gollum duality), though I'm not sure there is one, or 2) think about making a keyword or a line of text which fixes this issue, either discarding this version of Grima if a Shadow version is played, or some way of allowing both in play at a time.

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August 27, 2009, 10:31:36 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2009, 10:31:36 PM »
Sorry about that. Still getting my feet under me after a short vacation earlier this week. And now I really should be in bed, but since I'm not, let's see what we've got here....

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(3) •Eomer, Commander of the Riders of Eastfold [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Each time a site is controlled, heal a Rohan companion.
Skirmish: While you can spot a exhausted minion, exert Eomer to make a [Rohan] companion strength +2.
My comments echo my cohorts comrades: clean up the wording as Thran suggested, and perhaps make the abilities mesh a bit more. Perhaps with the first part you could exhaust a minion each time a site is liberated instead? The abilities are fine in and of themselves, but there's just nothing really tying them together.

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(4) •Gandalf, Exorciser of Evil Things [Rohan]
Companion - Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
To play spot Theoden (or 3 [Rohan] companions).
While you can spot Theoden, Gandalf is strength +1.
Response: Each time a shadow condition is played on or transferred to a [Rohan] Man, exert Gandalf twice to discard it.
I like Thran's suggestions, but in the process of removing the spotting requirement, perhaps replace it with "While you can spot Theoden (or 3 [Rohan] companions), Gandalf is also a [Rohan] companion", and then change him to his normal [Gandalf] culture to start with. I'm just uncomfortable with him starting as [Rohan] by default. Gaining another culture, like [Rohan], is something I find much more agreeable, personally.

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(2) •Grima, Faithful Servant of Rohan [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 4
Vitility: 3
Resistance: 5
To play spot a [Rohan] companion.
Skirmish: If Grima is not assigned to a skirmish and  you have initiative discard 3 cards from hand to make an exhausted minion lose all keyword till the regroup phase.
Same comment as the others: doesn't seem fair to block the opponent from playing a minion version. A simple line like "Minions titled Grima may be played" would do the trick. :up:
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August 31, 2009, 09:03:48 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 09:03:48 AM »
Ok how does that look?  I changed the cards a little bit.  What do you guys think?  The reason for the heal when you lose a site, shows how Eomer can keep moral up even while losing.  The sign of a true leader, a leader needs to keep moral up even when losing.  Because who is gonna want to fight for someone who is gonna give up when you start losing.

August 31, 2009, 05:21:35 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 05:21:35 PM »
There changed Gandalf around, not sure if all that text will fit on the card.  I also slightly change Eomer by making him Valiant.  So how does Gandalf look now?

August 31, 2009, 05:28:44 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2009, 05:28:44 PM »
There changed Gandalf around, not sure if all that text will fit on the card.  I also slightly change Eomer by making him Valiant.  So how does Gandalf look now?

Dare I say too good? Maybe drop the first line?
-wtk

How does that look or is it still too good.

August 31, 2009, 06:14:54 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2009, 06:14:54 PM »
I like the idea of a multi-cultural Gandalf, but I am just afraid that he couples too well with Aragorn, Defender of Free Peoples...

...anyways, what about:
[4] •Gandalf, Hope For Free Men [Gandalf]
Companion - Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Maneuver: Exert Gandalf and remove a [Gondor] token to make a minion roaming until the regroup phase.
Skirmish: Exert Gandalf and remove a [Gandalf] token to make a [Gandalf] man strength +1.
Regroup: Exert Gandalf and remove a [Rohan] token to play a possession from your discard pile.

That looks a lot better thanks for the idea.

September 01, 2009, 06:49:47 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2009, 06:49:47 AM »
[3] •Eomer, Commander of the Riders of Eastfold [Rohan]
Companion - Man
Strength: 7
Vitality: 3
Resistance: 7
Valiant. Hunter 1.
Each time a site is controlled, heal a [Rohan] companion.
Regroup: If you can spot and exhausted minion, exert Eomer and transfer a follower to your support area to liberate a site.
Okay, I get this card now - nice! What I might do to make the card a bit more united is have the "each time" ability exert a minion, so that it then becomes easier for Éomer to use his second ability and liberate said site.

[4] •Gandalf, Hope For Free Men [Gandalf]
Companion - Wizard
Strength: 7
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 7
Maneuver: Exert Gandalf and remove a [Gondor] token to make a minion roaming until the regroup phase.
Skirmish: Exert Gandalf and remove a  [Gandalf] token to make a [Gandalf] man strength +1.
Regroup: Exert Gandalf and remove a [Rohan] token to play a possession from your discard pile.
I don't think you need to exert Gandalf for any of those abilities (except for possibly the [Gondor] one, and you could rectify that by making it site number +2 instead). And given that this is a "tribal" card, I would be tempted to make both the [Gandalf] ability more general and make it "Remove a [Gandalf] token to make a Man strength +1". Very interesting card.

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September 01, 2009, 05:16:42 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2009, 05:16:42 PM »
Thought I would do some possessions and artifacts next.

[3] •Guthwine, Battle Friend [Rohan]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Vitality +1
Bearer must be Eomer.
Each wounded minion skirmishing Eomer loses all damage bonuses and cannot gain damage bonuses.
Skirmish: Exert Eomer to make a unbound Man strength +2.

[1]Sting, Bane of Evil Things [Shire]
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Strength +1
Resistance +1
Bearer must be a Ring-Bound Hobbit.
Skirmish: If bearer is not exhausted, add 3 burdens to wound a minion in bearer's skirmish for each wound on bearer.

[1]Merry's Sword, Barrow Blade [Shire]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Hobbit.
Skirmish: While bearer is Merry, exert him twice to exhaust a Nazgul an unbound companion is skirmishing.

[1]Pippin's Sword, Troll's Bane [Shire]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be a Hobbit.
While bearer is Pippin and he is skirmishing a Troll or a Uruk-Hai he is strength +3.

Ok what do you guys think of these weapons.  Sting may be a little to good but I think the rest are pretty decent.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2009, 09:54:12 AM by WarriorOfTheNorth »

September 01, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2009, 08:39:00 PM »
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[2] •Guthwine, Battle Friend [Rohan]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +1
Vitality +1
Bearer must be Eomer.
Each wounded minion skirmishing Eomer, loses all damage bonus' and can not gain damage bonus'.
Skirmish: Exert Eomer to make a unbound companion strength +2.

Just a minor tweak: "Each wounded minion skirmishing Eomer loses all damage bonuses and cannot gain damage bonuses." See Dwarf-mail for the best example of where I'm coming from. His skirmish ability might be better if it only worked on Men, as he's awfully powerful being able to boost companions of ANY culture.

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[2]Sting, Bane of Evil Things [Shire]
Artifact • Hand Weapon
Strength +1
Resistance +1
Bearer must be Frodo or Sam.
Skirmish: If bearer is not exhausted, add 3 burdens to wound a minion in bearer's skirmish for each wound on bearer.

I see no reason to make it cost more than the usual [1]. Powerful ability, to be sure, but it DOES lose that rather important strength +2 that most Stings have, so....

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[2]Merry's Sword, Barrow Blade [Shire]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be Merry.
Skirmish: Exert Merry twice to exhaust a Nazul an unbound companion is skirmishing.

Make sure to spell "Nazgul" right. ;) Since it's so specific, I think this is actually fine.

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[2]Pippin's Sword, Troll's Bane [Shire]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be Pippin.
While Pippin is skirmishing a Troll or a Uruk-Hai he is strength +3.

Ditto here. Kind of like a built-in Stone Trolls. :up:
Best regards,
Dáin


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September 01, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2009, 10:45:04 PM »
Quote from: WarriorOfTheNorth
[2]Merry's Sword, Barrow Blade [Shire]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength +2
Bearer must be Merry.
Skirmish: Exert Merry twice to exhaust a Nazul an unbound companion is skirmishing.
Make sure to spell "Nazgul" right. ;) Since it's so specific, I think this is actually fine.

Burhahahahaha....Nazul is that any relation to Zuul from Ghost busters.

September 02, 2009, 03:39:58 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2009, 03:39:58 AM »
I would love to add something really insightful here, but unfortunately it seems like DI and ket have stolen my thunder. So I'll just slink away and sulk in the corner.

Good stuff! :up:

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September 06, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2009, 05:40:58 PM »
Couple of more possessions.

[2]Arod, Swift Steed [Rohan]
Possession • Mount
To play, spot a [Rohan] Man. Bearer must be an unbound companion.
Skirmish: If bearer is a Dwarf, exert bearer to reinforce an [Dwarven] token.
Skirmish: If bearer is an Elf, exert bearer to reinforce a [Elven] token.

[2]Windfola, Grey Horse of the Rohirrim [Rohan]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Bearer must be Eowyn.
When you play Windfola, you may reinforce a [Rohan] token.
Response: When Eowyn wins a skirmish remove 2 [Rohan] tokens to wound a minion (or wound it twice if that minion a [Wraith] minion).

[2]Asfaloth, Gleaming White [Elven]
Possession • Mount
Bearer must be an Elf.
Strength +1
Maneuver: If bearer is Glorfindel or Arwen, exert bearer and discard a [Elven] condition from play to wound a minion (or if at a river wound a Nazgul twice).

[2] •Eowyn Sword, Vanquishing Blade [Rohan]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength + 2
Resistance +1
Bearer must be Eowyn
Regroup: Exert Eowyn and a unbound Hobbit to discard a Nazgul from play.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2009, 12:43:09 PM by WarriorOfTheNorth »

September 07, 2009, 11:03:28 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2009, 11:03:28 AM »
[3] •Eowyn Sword, Vanquishing Blade [Rohan]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength + 2
Vitality +1
Bearer must be Eowyn
Skirmish: Exert Eowyn and transfer a follower Eowyn bears to the support area to wound a minion she is skirmishing.
Regroup: Exert Eowyn and transfer a follower Eowyn bears to the support area to discard a Nazgul from play.
Again, I'd be careful about making any card do too much. This is better than any Anduril and it's Eowyn's sword! I'd stick to the strength +2, [1] or [2] twilight variety and maybe just have the Regroup action instead of both. Again, just my thought, but cards that do too much are awfully intimidating. There should be need for events and conditions in decks, and some of these possessions are events and conditions and strength/vitality bonuses all combined. That's the sign of a card being too versatile.
-wtk

Would it work to give her a resistance too?  Instead of the vitality, I just like make it a little more spicy cause seeing the +2 strength all the time kind of gets boring, not to mention her old sword gave her +3 strength so wouldn't it be right for this card to have +3 in boosts on the card?  You are right though cause the way I had it was way too good, Andruil was shuddering at this swords power.
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September 07, 2009, 04:41:47 PM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2009, 04:41:47 PM »
I go with your suggestions because they make sense and I always like to show that I appreciate them.

September 08, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
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Re: Greetings from Mirkwood. Small DC set.
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2009, 10:01:46 AM »
[2]Arod, Swift Steed [Rohan]
Possession • Mount
To play, spot a [Rohan] man. Bearer must be an unbound companion.
Skirmish: If bearer is a Dwarf, exert bearer to reinforce an [Dwarven] token.
Skirmish: If bearer is an Elf, exert bearer to reinforce a [Elven] token.
Interesting. I would say a few things: 1) make sure you capitalise "Man", like "Dwarf" and "Elf, 2) Bold your phase actions, so "Skirmish:", 3) it could cost [1] and 4) I would add something like "If bearer is a Dwarf, exert bearer (or Legolas)..." and also "If bearer is an Elf, exert bearer (or Gimli)..." to represent the fact that they're both on the horse at the same time.

[2]Windfola, Grey Horse of the Rohirrim [Rohan]
Possession • Mount
Strength +1
Bearer must be Eowyn.
When you play Windfola, you may reinforce a [Rohan] token.
Response: Each time Eowyn wins a skirmish remove 2 [Rohan] tokens to wound a minion (or wound it twice if that minion a [Wraith] minion).
Nice. Make sure you've chosen either response or each time though - they're mutually exclusive and mean slightly different things; if you want it to be repeatable, then it should be "Response:". If not, it should be "Each time..."

[2]Asfaloth, Gleaming White [Elven]
Possession • Mount
Bearer must be an Elf.
Maneuver: If bearer is Glorfindel, exert him and discard a [Elven] condition from play to wound a minion (or if at a river wound a Nazgul twice).
Skirmish: If bearer is Arwen, discard 2 cards from hand to make a minion she is skirmishing strength -2.
I see what you're trying to do, but here I don't think the 2 different abilities are helpful. In the case of Arod above, each ability was doing essentially the same thing, but here they are completely different. Now I don't think there's any particular flavour reason why Glorfindel and Arwen should get different bonuses for riding Asfaloth, and so I think I would keep just the 1st ability and make it "If bearer is Arwen or Glorfindel..."

[2] •Eowyn Sword, Vanquishing Blade [Rohan]
Possession • Hand Weapon
Strength + 2
Resistance +1
Bearer must be Eowyn
Regroup: Exert Eowyn and transfer a follower Eowyn bears to your support area to discard a Nazgul from play.
I'm also not sure about the flavour here for followers and Éowyn - the only help she got to kill the Witch-King was really from Merry. How about "Exert Éowyn and and unbound Hobbit to discard a Nazgûl from play"?

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