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February 01, 2010, 10:20:17 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2010, 10:20:17 AM »
I don't think the problem was simply not finding the card, so much as repeatedly searching for a card that you knew wasn't going to be there.

February 01, 2010, 10:22:25 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2010, 10:22:25 AM »
right, but it says "no penalty", even if the card is not found....I realize that the problem is people searching when they KNOW it's not there, but unless this decision was reversed, I would take it like it says in black and white.
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February 01, 2010, 04:54:57 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2010, 04:54:57 PM »
Actually there is a penalty...

To my understanding if there's no card found the other player is allowed to see your drawdeck as well.
And if you that repeatidly then you've proof that the other person is stalling.

February 01, 2010, 07:41:07 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2010, 07:41:07 PM »
To my understanding if there's no card found the other player is allowed to see your drawdeck as well.

Where is this ruling? Straight from the rule book:

Some cards allow you to play a card directly from
your draw deck. You must still pay any costs
and meet requirements necessary for playing
that card. When you finish looking through it,
reshuffle it and give the player to your right the
opportunity to cut it. There is no penalty if you
don't find (or choose not to play) a card you are
looking for in your draw deck.


Note that you can even choose NOT to play a card that IS there after looking at the draw deck. No penalties either way.

February 01, 2010, 09:25:15 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2010, 09:25:15 PM »
I think that line from the rulebook was designed for the situation where you tried to play a card from your draw deck only to find you didn't have any of the cards you were supposed to play (or any that you wanted to play). In short:
 - Going to play a card from your draw deck and deciding you don't have any you want to play, the first time: an honest mistake.
 - Using the same action to repeatedly try to play a card from your draw deck to no effect: "stalling."

I think it's the repeated aspect that changes it from the standard case (covered by the ruling about Sam,FC) to stalling. I suspect that repeatedly taking any action to no effect would be considered stalling, regardless of whether there is anything wrong with that action in and of itself.

February 01, 2010, 11:15:40 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2010, 11:15:40 PM »
No penalty in this game, as quoted. Unlike in, say, ST1E, where a download failure means your opponent can search your hand, draw deck, Q's Tent, Zalkonian Storage Capsule, or any other sources. Ouch.

February 02, 2010, 04:01:30 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2010, 04:01:30 AM »
Maybe got confused with SW CCG... but then Sam, Great Elf Warrior is right in my opinion: It would be stalling. But still there's a penalty...., but it seems that this penalty is that the acting player don't get a penalty, which is a penalty to his opponent though...

Star wars was a better game...:( But not so much fun as lotr :) Man the headaches I had with star wars........


February 02, 2010, 04:27:44 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2010, 04:27:44 AM »
Kralik in which document did you find that and on which page, can't find it..... Or I overlook it (say about 4 times each document)....

February 02, 2010, 06:49:32 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2010, 06:49:32 AM »
Kralik in which document did you find that and on which page, can't find it..... Or I overlook it (say about 4 times each document)....

Comprehensive Rulebook 4.0 under draw deck.

February 02, 2010, 06:50:06 AM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2010, 06:50:06 AM »
thx, found it  =D>

Is there also a section somewhere about what is concidered stalling?
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February 02, 2010, 02:21:08 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2010, 02:21:08 PM »
The word "stall" or any form of it does not occur in the CR 4.0. Here's a note on Bill the Pony under loops:

A player wishes to repeatedly use the ability of Sam,
Faithful Companion ("Fellowship: Play Bill the
Pony from your draw deck."). He chooses a number
of times this action will take place. The action is
treated as repeating that number of times unless
another player intervenes with a different action.


As you can see, no penalty for using Faithful Companion many times if you want... except you only end up doing it once. Not sure how it works when you use, say, Faithful Companion followed by Forewarned followed by Faithful Companion followed by...
« Last Edit: February 02, 2010, 02:31:48 PM by Kralik »

February 02, 2010, 02:24:17 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2010, 02:24:17 PM »
Not sure how it works when you use, say, Bill the Pony followed by Forewarned followed by Bill the Pony followed by...

Agh! You ruined the trick of my five star deck on GCCG.
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February 02, 2010, 04:29:00 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2010, 04:29:00 PM »
But there are penalties for stalling right (and then I don't mean this situation, but for example somebody is taking about 10 minutes to assign one minion on table to with str 4 to any companion who's stronger)?

February 02, 2010, 04:44:58 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2010, 04:44:58 PM »
But there are penalties for stalling right (and then I don't mean this situation, but for example somebody is taking about 10 minutes to assign one minion on table to with str 4 to any companion who's stronger)?

No, except I will kick your #$&*@! if I was playing against you and you were stalling for the sake of timing out a round.
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February 02, 2010, 04:59:03 PM
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Re: Such a weight to carry
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2010, 04:59:03 PM »
Are you sure.. I remember tournaments that people got a warning for stalling. I'll ask Mark Hameleers when I see him. He should know as ex D'agent and rider of rohan.

Ket You wouldn't have a chance. Most times I'm the first who's reached site 9 and survive;) Propably I would ask the judge to warn you for being slow ;) :D