Durin's Secret Society of Dear Friends

[legolas3333]

if he bids 6 or 7 i say gorgoroth stormer + the ring is mine

[ket_the_jet]

If he bids six or seven, then he removes three with Sam, Son of Hamfast and then a net two more once he gets out Birthday Present and No Help For It.

So let's say he bids six. He is then up to seven burdens with playing Smeagol. At the end of that turn, he could be down to three using Sam, plus one with Birthday Present, and then minus three with No Help For It.

Bidding six and being down to two burdens at the end of one turn is pretty nice, if you ask me.
-wtk

[legolas3333]

ok but he bids 6, -3 with sam, +4 for birthday present which means he is at 7 for shadow phase.

5 burdens corrupts him. (aforementioned gorgoroth stormer + the ring is mine)

or the irresistible shadow +2x desperate measures plus any sauron minion with 2 vitality, orc ambusher comes to mind.

actually, the second is more viable since it requires only 7 twilight where the first you'd probably have to add a threat then play the  initiative guy from RotK... mordor fighter

[ket_the_jet]

Well, presuming that his goal is to start with Birthday Present in his hand, he only needs to add as many burdens as copies of Dear Friends get discarded before No Help For It.

Plus, you are counting on four specific cards to show up in your first hand. I don't know any The Irresistible Shadow deck that plays more than two copies of that card--most play just one and have Dead Marshes to bring it back if it gets dumped.

I like Kralik's odds against a very specific hand you need.
-wtk

[legolas3333]

true

the only real way to beat it is to make a deck specifically designed to, not the greatest idea ever but the only one that would work (probably).

[Cw0rk]

Kralik, what about a Gollum + Shelob deck preventing you from assigning Eowyn, LoI?

[Gwaihir]

Four Slaked Thirsts exhausts shelob and Aragorn's Bow, or Legolas Greenleaf finishes her off.

[legolas3333]

well... final strike to prevent greenleaf and bow

[Gwaihir]

Deep in Thought.

[Smeagollum]

the worst combo would be gorgoth stormer and 4x the ring is mine after the site where you dump everything and have lik 4-5 burdens

I know, but it don't work with sites.. stormer can only be used in the shadowphase. So you need to ditch his deck by yourself and then pull out the trick.

No -- he's right. Ideally the Shadow player could play The Irresistible Shadow and add 5 burdens. Pelennor Flat could help if I don't use Pathfinder first. Though it would be hard to get those cards all at once that early. My draw deck will have 6 cards in it after I move, so the Shadow player would have to a) Use discard or b) add LOTS of burdens.

Option a) 7 burdens needed, Desperate Measures x2 or Perhaps 6 Burdens + Desperate Measures + Orc Warrior.
Option b) 8 burdens by the end of my triple so that even if I remove 3, the 5 leftover will corrupt me next turn.

Both are possibilities, but difficult to pull off. I'm curious on how I would fare vs. jmccarthy's corruption deck that adds 4-5 burdens each turn (OK, I think, since the triple doesn't allow him to "reload")

Maybe we miscommunicating here, but stormer says specificaly that there's need to be innitiative in the shadowphase to add a burden. The site could be helpfull, but if your deck is not empty at that time then those burdens won't mean anything to you. Best way still is to make your deck empty first and then use the innitiativetrick and all other combo's needed.


By the way if I would bid with frodo it would be around 8 And then Frodo fries... and Sam becomes the gardener

[Kralik]

L3333: How high are you willing to bid? If you use any Ring-Bearer other than Frodo, Kralik will likely outbid you with a bid of 6 or 7.
-wtk

Are you kidding? I don't bid that high -- it's Enquea suicide!
I rest my laurels on this: The only reason I see anyone bid high in Movie Block is for Dunharrow Plateau. If you knew you were facing my deck, you might bid higher, but how would you know?

Maybe we miscommunicating here, but stormer says specificaly that there's need to be innitiative in the shadowphase to add a burden. The site could be helpfull, but if your deck is not empty at that time then those burdens won't mean anything to you. Best way still is to make your deck empty first and then use the innitiativetrick and all other combo's needed.

By the way if I would bid with frodo it would be around 8 And then Frodo fries... and Sam becomes the gardener

I almost never have initiative during Shadow, so Gorgoroth Stormer will probably work.
Killing Frodo is a bad idea since it breaks A Light In His Mind. If I have to, I will, but I try not to. Also Sam is only resistance 5... adding 6 burdens in one turn is easy for the right Shadow...

[Kralik]

well... final strike to prevent greenleaf and bow

Three Slaked Thirsts on Shelob, One on Gollum.
Use Greenleaf or Aragorn's Bow to shoot Gollum once and Shelob twice. Whether Gollum exerts to cancel the wound on himself with Final Strike or actually takes the wound doesn't matter. The remaining archery takes out Gollum himself.

[Cw0rk]

well... final strike to prevent greenleaf and bow

Three Slaked Thirsts on Shelob, One on Gollum.
Use Greenleaf or Aragorn's Bow to shoot Gollum once and Shelob twice. Whether Gollum exerts to cancel the wound on himself with Final Strike or actually takes the wound doesn't matter. The remaining archery takes out Gollum himself.

Final Strike can prevent Slaked Thirsts. However, you could discard it with Deep in Thought.

[Kralik]

Final Strike can prevent Slaked Thirsts. However, you could discard it with Deep in Thought.

Slaked Thirsts is not a manuever special ability.

[Gil-Estel]

Just stop it. This deck is very, very painful to play agaisnt. The most effective is to run like crazy. The very best is the following:
Know you are going to play vs Kralik's deck, discard his conditions with Saruman's Power, preverably twice or even three times to slow him down, and then play News from the Mark 2x at site 4. Run to site 9 unharmed