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February 27, 2010, 05:49:58 AM
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dalkilthur

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Cancelling skirmishers
« on: February 27, 2010, 05:49:58 AM »
Hi,

If you cancel a skirmish with an event (for example, any of the hobbit events that cancel a skirmish), does that skirmish count as lost for the character?

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February 27, 2010, 06:37:38 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 06:37:38 AM »
No, neither side wins or loses.
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February 27, 2010, 08:55:32 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 08:55:32 AM »
Cancelling skirmishes is the only time that a side isn't designated winning or losing the skirmishes.

It is also worth noting that one side of the skirmish being removed (ex. Merry, Learned Guide being discarded) does not cancel the skirmish--in fact, the Shadow player gets credit for winning that skirmish.
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February 27, 2010, 09:07:08 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 09:07:08 AM »
Quote from: ket_the_jet on February 27, 2010, 08:55:32 AM
It is also worth noting that one side of the skirmish being removed (ex. Merry, Learned Guide being discarded) does not cancel the skirmish--in fact, the Shadow player gets credit for winning that skirmish.
Just to clarify: The Shadow wins if the FP side gets removed (like with Merry, LG). If the Shadow side gets removed (e.g. by skirmish wounding knights or rangers), the FP side wins.

One thing I'm wondering about, though, is Sent Back (where all characters are removed from the skirmish). Does the FP win because the minions are removed first, or does the Shadow win because both sides are reduced to 0? It seems to me that if the skirmish ends immediately when one side is removed, the FP wins before the Wizard is placed in your dead pile. Conversely, if the skirmish doesn't end until both players pass, the Shadow wins in a 0-0 tie. I suspect it's the former, but does anyone have a ruling?
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February 27, 2010, 09:17:32 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 09:17:32 AM »
Thanks Sam, that was worded awkwardly.

With Sent Back, the Free People's side wins the skirmish. The action goes like this:
Play Sent Back.
Discard all minions skirmishing the wizard.
Place that Wizard in the Dead Pile.

Once Sent Back is played, skirmish events for that skirmish cease to be played. Response events may be played.
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February 27, 2010, 11:29:14 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 11:29:14 AM »
Okay, so the skirmish is resolved as soon as the minions are discarded, before the Wizard is placed in the dead pile. That makes sense. Thanks!
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February 27, 2010, 11:49:35 AM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 11:49:35 AM »
Quote from: CRD
If all characters of one side are removed during a skirmish before strength has been totaled, the skirmish resolves and the other side wins.
If all characters of one side are removed from a skirmish before that skirmish begins, that skirmish does not occur.

Straight from the CRD.
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« Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 12:25:17 PM by ket_the_jet »
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February 27, 2010, 04:05:10 PM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 04:05:10 PM »
Hold the phone, if I use Merry, LG and discard him the shadow player is credited for "winning" the skirmish!
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February 27, 2010, 04:05:48 PM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 04:05:48 PM »
Quote from: jdizzy001 on February 27, 2010, 04:05:10 PM
Hold the phone, if I use Merry, LG and discard him the shadow player is credited for "winning" the skirmish!

Yes.
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February 27, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 07:52:51 PM »
Only if it's during Merry's skirmish.
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February 27, 2010, 08:55:12 PM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 08:55:12 PM »
Good point; as long as the discard ability doesn't talk about "skirmishing," you can discard him during someone else's skirmish and still not "lose" a skirmish (the skirmish simply won't happen at all).
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February 27, 2010, 10:15:48 PM
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 10:15:48 PM »
so if I discard merry during, say, aragorn's skirmish, it doesn't count as a win for the shadow
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 10:20:23 PM »
Correct. Merry's skirmish never happens.
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 04:16:17 AM »
Thank you everyone!!!
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Re: Cancelling skirmishers
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 04:30:09 AM »
I've been playing it wrong for years. :D
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