Elves (Elladan and Elronhir) Question

[KANEfreak69]

•Elladan, Son of Elrond (14R2) and •Elrohir, Son of Elrond (14R3)

ok now there ability says that if they can spot each other there twilight it -2 both. Now there twilight cost both is 3 each but when they spot each other it becomes 1 each to equal 2, my question is are you able to play more companions in the starting fellowship up to 2 twilight cost?

[MuadDib85]

Interesting question. I would say yes. Start the brothers for 4 twilight, then while both are on the table they are now worth only 2 twilight total, so you should be able to use another 2 twilight for more companion/s.

[MR. Lurtzy]

If one of them is already in play, you cannot reduce his twilight cost.

[MuadDib85]

While both are on the table wouldn't both of their game texts be activated?

I think yes.

Use one to reduce the other, then use both...

[ket_the_jet]

Actually, the answer is "no."

You play your starting Fellowship one at a time. So you play one first at and the second at .

Similarly, you could not start Eomer, Third Marshal of Riddermark and Theoden, Leader of Spears. One costs and the other would then be , not each.
-wtk

[MuadDib85]

Fair enough.

[MuadDib85]

So once on the table their twilight costs can't be changed?

Is that in the rule book somewhere?

[ket_the_jet]

Yes.

Starting Fellowship companions are played one at a time. The companion is placed on the table, then you play your first companion. That companion will always be at the printed cost, unless it has a stipulation affecting it's own cost. For instance, you could start Boromir, Bearer of Council and Faramir, Prince of Ithilien would be . But if you started Frodo, Old Bilbo's Heir, you would not want to start Faramir, Prince of Ithilien as your first companion as he would cost . You could play a Denethor and then Faramir, Prince of Ithilien for .

Point being, once a character is in play, its twilight cost is not changed and you don't get more 'resource points' and they are not 'refunded.'
 -wtk

[Kralik]

ket: Are you thinking of a different Faramir?

MuadDib: Think of it this way: You have twilight tokens. Pay the cost for each character as you play them.

[ket_the_jet]

Apparently. I should have stuck with my example, as apparently there is no Faramir that is -1 while you can spot a man.

Whoops, sorry, and disregard!
-wtk

[Gil-Estel]

There is such a faramir, actually. Prince of Ithilien.

[ket_the_jet]

There is such a faramir, actually. Prince of Ithilien.

Perfect! Fixed my reference to actually make sense.
-wtk

[Thranduil]

The overarching rule here is that twilight cost modifiers only apply when you play them.

Cards already in play that affect another card's twilight cost have that effect only when the card to be modified is coming into play.

Thranduil

[ket_the_jet]

Thanks Thranduil for going to the source. I was posting from my phone.
-wtk

[Aragorn_Ellessar]

I had this problem with one of my decks, trying to get Elledan, Elrohir, and Glorfindel into a starting fellowship.