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March 22, 2010, 02:47:57 PM
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« on: March 22, 2010, 02:47:57 PM »
Today, I played with [Isengard] trackers against [Gondor] knights and this was the case:

Alcarin, WoL is bearing Weary and during Assignment phase his text is used: a tracker bearing a fortification is assigned to Alcarin, WoL (which is unwounded before that) to heal him. What comes first: exertion due to Weary or healing due to Alcarin, WoL text?
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March 22, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
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Re: Alcarin
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 02:48:54 PM »
Exert, then heal.

"Each time" comes before the assignment action.
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March 22, 2010, 02:57:49 PM
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Re: Alcarin
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 02:57:49 PM »
Well, yes, but can that come in the middle of that action? Because that would be the case if it's first exertion, then heal.

Assignment action: assign to heal
weary: minion is assigned => exert

I don't think it goes like this:

Assignment action: assign (weary exert) to heal

Is "Each time..." in this case treated as a response to assignment?
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March 22, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
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Re: Alcarin
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 03:12:41 PM »
The question is whether you can slot in a trigger half way between cost and effect.

I suspect ket may be right. You pay the cost before you get the effect, so you assign him to the minion, Weary notices that the Free Peoples player just assigned him to a skirmish so exerts him, then the ability completes and Alcarin heals himself.

I wouldn't be definite on this however.

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March 22, 2010, 03:58:55 PM
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Re: Alcarin
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 03:58:55 PM »
Assignment phase:
1: Assignment Action: FP player uses Alcarin's ability.
1a: Meet requirements: Nothing happens.
1b: Pay costs: FP player assigns Alcarin to the [Isengard] tracker bearing the [Gondor] fortification.
    1b1: Mandatory responses to this action: Alcarin exerts for Weary.
    1b2: Optional responses to this action: Both players pass.
1c: Perform effects: FP player heals Alcarin.

EDIT: Theoretically, there should also be an opportunity in the middle of 1b1 for players to respond to the exertion (e.g. Strength of Spirit).
« Last Edit: March 22, 2010, 04:06:10 PM by Sam, Great Elf Warrior »

March 23, 2010, 10:28:24 AM
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Re: Alcarin
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2010, 10:28:24 AM »
The exertion happens as a trigger to the cost, which happens before the effect of Alcarins ability.

In other words, the exertion happens before the heal.