The Silmarillion V-set Discussion.

[Smeagollum]

@Thranduil: It could, but then the meaning of flipping is not very huge: there is no big benefit or penalty while flipping. Don't know if you played sw ccg, but there flipping an objective had greater effect on the game. Besides.. it should be difficult to flip. On the other hand your option will make sure that flipping will happen more often; which also can have a huge impact. Need to think more about it.. will come back on that.

@Faelath: Why doesn't it fit in the game? It would be just a new mechanic what can bring more fun in the game. I think it could work fine and it fits the themes as well: The song from the ainu against the song of melkor.
Still not sure how to make a silmaril a card.

@Gerontius: It would be easier, but less fun...

[Thranduil]

@Thranduil: It could, but then the meaning of flipping is not very huge: there is no big benefit or penalty while flipping. Don't know if you played sw ccg, but there flipping an objective had greater effect on the game. Besides.. it should be difficult to flip. On the other hand your option will make sure that flipping will happen more often; which also can have a huge impact. Need to think more about it.. will come back on that.

Yeah mine was just a random idea. What I was unsure about yours was that the wearing and flipping were two different things and that you needed to repeat the Ring text on both sides, but just because it flips as it's being worn doesn't mean it can't also make a big impact in the game.

Thranduil

[Smeagollum]

@Thranduil: It could, but then the meaning of flipping is not very huge: there is no big benefit or penalty while flipping. Don't know if you played sw ccg, but there flipping an objective had greater effect on the game. Besides.. it should be difficult to flip. On the other hand your option will make sure that flipping will happen more often; which also can have a huge impact. Need to think more about it.. will come back on that.

Yeah mine was just a random idea. What I was unsure about yours was that the wearing and flipping were two different things and that you needed to repeat the Ring text on both sides, but just because it flips as it's being worn doesn't mean it can't also make a big impact in the game.

Thranduil

My flipping and wearing are indeed 2 seperate things. Indeed your idea can also have a big impact. But still need to think on it.

[Gerontius]

@Gerontius: It would be easier, but less fun...

If you insist...

[Smeagollum]

Well continuing on the thought of objective cards. It's obvious that the focus will lay on flipping.

His Vengeance Achieved [Morgoth]
Event
Response: If a [Morgoth] minion wins a skirmish involving a Ringbound companion you may exert a [Morgoth] minion to force your opponent to flip his .

Dark Now Felt the shadow
Condition
To play exert a [Morgoth] minion. While you can spot this condition a may not be flipped back.

•Illuvatar, Ominent Presence
Ally • Creator
Strength: 14
Vitality: 9
This ally may not participate in Skirmishes or Archery.
Response: Exert this character twice to prevent a to flip by a Shadow card.


Illuvatar has obvious no home site; he's omnipresent.

• Sauron, Tar-mairon [Morgoth]
Minion • Maia
Strength: 24
Vitality: 5
Site: 6
Sauron's cost is + for every companion you spot (limit ).
Game Text: If you can spot a flipped then Sauron is Fierce and damage +2.
Spot a flipped and exert Sauron to add (or if you have innitiative).

•Ar-Pharazôn, Númenórean King
Minion • Man
Strength: 11
Vitality: 4
Site: 4
Gametext: When you play this minion, you may spot Sauron and a non-flipped to play a , , [men] or [morgoth] condition from your discard pile to your Support Area.

•Lúthien Tinúviel, Sindarin princess.
Companion
Strength: 3
Vitality: 4
Resistance: 8
Bearer
Maneuver: You may flip the to make Lúthien strength +2 untill the regroup phase.

What do you think folks? Will these kind of cards make flipping an interesting concept for lotr?

[Cw0rk]

I'm not sure if the term 'ring-bound' fits with the Silmarillon. I haven't read it... but it seems as there are no rings in that story.

[Smeagollum]

I'm not sure if the term 'ring-bound' fits with the Silmarillon. I haven't read it... but it seems as there are no rings in that story.

Actually there are rings in the last part of the Silmarillion.
But you're correct; but it's difficult to think of a proper benaming. If people know of a good one then please advice. Would Light-bound be a good one.

[Smeagollum]

Have a little dificulty with a proper naming for the bearer of the objective. I solved this temporarely (untill I have found a good naming) by making the sign for the objective. So for as long as it takes bearer means objective bearer.

If people have a better name for it then please let me know.

[Smeagollum]

No suggestions so far

I had hoped for a bit more input Anyway... I think a silmarillion set should have something else as well, besides the flipping mechanic: I'm thinking of doing something with the Void (which imo is the out of play pile); but not quite the same trick as "place out of play". Need to think about it, because it's not totally clear yet what I would like; maybe something with starting the game with an out of play minion (Morgoth; as he influence ME from the void) which can influence the bearer. I'm also thinking of using some cardideas I had with my virtual shelob's lair set.

Besides that I'd like to ask you people to name your favourite character from The Silmarillion, but you can't take a character which was already named by somebody else. I gonna try to make a nice cards of the named characters. Oh... you can't use Iluvatar or Morgoth!

[Faelach]

Turin Turambar!  (You know he comes back at the Dagor Dagorath and kills Morgoth, right? Maybe put something about that in his lore)!

[Smeagollum]

Turin Turambar!  (You know he comes back at the Dagor Dagorath and kills Morgoth, right? Maybe put something about that in his lore)!

How would you like:

• Túrin Turambar, Adanedhel

Companion • Man
9
4
6
assignment: Wound Túrin Turambar to allow him to Skirmish.
While skirmishing a Dragon Túrin is strength +2 and damage +1. Each time Túrin Turambar wins a skirmish, you may remove a threat.

One of the Mighty Elf-Friends of Old

[Gil-Estel]

Gil-Estel

He is of course a real character from the Silmarillion, and a very cool one indeed. As the father of Elrond and Elros, he took a Silmaril, and went to Valinor, to ask the assistance of the Valar.

Gil-Estel, Captain of the Vingilot  
Companion Elf
9
4
7
If Gil-Estel is on the Vingilot he is resistance +2.
"Yet Eärendil saw no hope left in the lands om Middle-earth"

[Smeagollum]

Gil-Estel

He is of course a real character from the Silmarillion, and a very cool one indeed. As the father of Elrond and Elros, he took a Silmaril, and went to Valinor, to ask the assistance of the Valar.

Gil-Estel, Captain of the Vingilot 
Companion Elf
9
4
7
If Gil-Estel is on the Vingilot he is resistance +2.
"Yet Eärendil saw no hope left in the lands om Middle-earth"

Sorry, I just lost the license


Well, will ajust the gametext a bit, but Gillie it will be:)

[Smeagollum]

Well here's your birthdaypresent
A bit different then yours, but I think this one to be cooler. Hope you like this star of High Hope.

• Gil-Estel, Captain of the Vingilot  

Companion • Elf
9
4
7
Damage 1
Response: If a burden is about to be added by a Shadow card, exert Gil-Estel and  to prevent that burden.

"the people of Middle-earth  beheld it from afar and wondered, and they took it for a sign, and called it Gil-Estel, the Star of High Hope."