Rangers/Sauron Wounding. Need help!

[Fowler]

Im a newbie in this game, and reading this web and getting cards from my friends i build this deck;

1x The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles
1x Boromir, Bearer of Council
1x Ranger of Ithilien
1x Faramir, Captain of Gondor

4x Might of Numeror
4x Sapling of the White Tree
1x Boromir, My Borther
4x Eregion's Trails
1x Garrison of Osgiliath
3x Sword of Gondor
1x Knight's Spear
4x War and Valor
1x Gondorian Merchant
3x Ancient Roads
2x Gondorian Ranger
1x Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver
1x Legolas, Greenleaf
1x Aragorn, Ranger of the North
1x Sam, Proper Poet
1x Tharain, Dwarven Smith



4x Orc Assassin
4x Orc Scouting Band
2x Orc Patrol
3x Grishnakh, Orc Captain
2x Orc Archer Troop
2x Desert Lord
2x Ulairë Enqueä, Liutenant of Morgul
2x Grond, Hammer of the Underworld
4x Hate
4x Under the Watching Eye
4x Orc Bowmen
2x Dead Marshes

35/35 i think that are too much but i cant cut anything from my shadow deck (in fact, i want add Terrible as the Dawn) I think too that both decks havent sinergy, is correctly? My friends are a completly noobs like me...

How can i upgrade my deck? specially the fellowship... Im thinking in play Smeagol bearer+Fara+Sam like others topics. Test rangers with Bows and people like Mablung but i dont like it :/

Ty for all and sry about my english

[hrcho]

I'm guessing you forgot Faramir, Captain of Gondor should be there too as a starting companion.
Eregion Trails is not that good a card, especially in your deck where the only means of making minions roam in maneuver phase is with only 1 Gondorian Merchant. Most shadows stop roaming at site 4, some even sooner and only rare (Isengard Uruks or Sauron Besiegers roam until site 5). Even Sauron orcs have plenty of good trackers to make them stop roaming before site 6. It's good against Shelob, I guess

Why Proper Poet? I think you have more than enough swarm protection and not enough burden removal, so Son of Hamfast would be the way to go.

[Fowler]

Forgot the Captain of Gondor yeah ><

Eregion's Trails doesnt work in skirmishes? Now i understand all... (putting the card with Saved from Fire)

Sam Proper Poet works well with Might of Numeror to give him defender+2 for thumpblocking. U preffer eat 3 burdens and a single thumpblock?

Suggestions for my Fellow? -4 Trails +4...

Ty for ur post!

[itjunkie]

Have you played much using this deck? i suspect you have experienced drawing under the watching eye without any trackers to exert, preventing you to play it...? If you have, id suggest swapping out orc archer troop perhaps with orc cutthroat..

then, id take out 1 ulaire enquea with an orc seeker and swap out 2x orc assassin for 2x orc ambushers... that way you get to play more minions. if you really want to put in terrible as the dawn, maybe take 1 desert lord or dead marshes out? 4x under the watching eye + 4x orc bowmen will be enough to exhaust your opponents in no time

[Fowler]

13 trackers aren't enough? cutthroat is a bad cark imo... Ambusher > cutthroat i think.

I love Assasin, is awesome when u play against hobbits/Sam

If need more trackers Ambusher is the guy, but i need more trackers?

(I test a little bit)

[ket_the_jet]

Orc Cutthroat is beast.

I will add more thoughts when I didn't just get home from a night of binge drinking.
-wtk

[itjunkie]

@fowler: Orc Cutthroat isn't always as effective as grishnakh or orc patrol, but it's not a bad minion at all... If you do swap out orc archer troop, all your sauron orcs will be trackers, increasing your chances of playing utwe as soon as you draw it.

[ramolnar]

I agree that Orc Archer Troop is the weakest minion here. I'd run Orc Cutthroat. I'd also consider Orc Inquisitor. It's not a tracker, but the single random discard is really annoying to a lot of people, and it has 3 vitality for double-Hate. Also, 1 Dead Marshes will probably be enough, unless you face a lot of mass condition removal.

Your fellowship - well - there are better cards. Eregion's Trails must go. Pippin is a nice trick until he gets killed in a swarm skirmish. Sam, well, why not just run another Gondorian Ranger who might be able to take multiple hits? Or another ROTN, who can take multiple hits and a Sword of Gondor?
One more subtle point is that Sauron decks can be slow to cycle, and you really want to find your conditions early. This deck wants to be thinner. Beyond replacing Eregion's Trails, you might remove a Might of Numenor or something.

[hrcho]

The best thing about Orc Cutthroat aside from its 3 vitality is that it's cheaper than Orc Patrol or Grishnakh... I lost the count of times I had Grishnakh and some other orcs in my hand and I could've played them all if only I had Orc Cuthroat instead of Grishnakh. The minion who makes all other minions stop roaming at site 3 is better cheaper. I'd keep at least a copy of Orc Archer Troop... from my experience, when my opponent played Orc Archer Troop, I was done for. It has a lor of vitality for Hate, provides at least one archery, it's very strong and may be fierce, so I'd say it's worth 6 twilight.

[ket_the_jet]

A good Shadow will be able to discard your Ancient Roads. Are two Gondorian Ranger enough? I would way rather see you run Mablung, Soldier of Gondor and Ranger Bow than Sam, Proper Poet, Thrarin, Dwarven Speedbump.

I would certainly run Isildur, Bearer of Heirlooms. I used to love Boromir, Bearer of Council (and still do, if he is not a Ring-Bearer), but when he is holding the ring he is too self-destructive.

Honestly, my favorite run of Movie Block Ring-Bound Rangers right now is one that jdizzy runs. He packs Ranger Bow, Banner of Westernesse, and Citadel of Minas Tirith and kills all of the minions with that, New Errand, and Arrows Thick in the Air. Great deck.

As for the Shadow, definitely run Orc Cutthroat over Orc Archer Troop. I think you will appreciate a minion when roaming who makes all of your other minions not roaming (in most cases). His game text does come in handy if you want to kill an exhausted companion during a skirmish phase sometimes.

I run support with my wounding stuff. I think the threats added by Captured By the Ring are just so fantastic.
-wtk

[hrcho]

Honestly, my favorite run of Movie Block Ring-Bound Rangers right now is one that jdizzy runs. He packs Ranger Bow, Banner of Westernesse, and Citadel of Minas Tirith and kills all of the minions with that, New Errand, and Arrows Thick in the Air. Great deck.

That's my deck!!! I made it first! It's mine! Mine, mine, MINE! Just mine!


Gollum, DaD is probably the most versatile card in the game and it can be a very nice asset in most decks.

[Fowler]

I like Orc Archer Troop to stop the rival with his power, and i love his resistance agaisnt archery, or to play hates. The rest of the minions are 'weaks' and is common see a companion with power 11 or greater.

(my meta is casual)

2 dead marshes are maybe the tight and correct decission? Galadriel, Secret Sentinels... against elves i need the conditions on the board, no?

My shadow deck has 35 cards and cant cut 4-5 to play Gollum

Maybe i can cut off a Enquea playing Morgullin at site 8, to add an aditional ambusher. Playing 2x Grond, -2 Orc Patrol +2Cutthroat? And i can cut off too one Archer troop to play an aditional ambusher?

4x Orc Assassin
4x Orc Scouting Band
2x Orc Cutthroat
2x Orc Ambusher
3x Grishnakh, Orc Captain
1x Orc Archer Troop
2x Desert Lord
1x Ulairë Enqueä, Liutenant of Morgul
2x Grond, Hammer of the Underworld
4x Hate
4x Under the Watching Eye
4x Orc Bowmen
2x Dead Marshes

15 trackers (+2 respect old version) and a faster deck (but a little bit more weak)

BtW, think that need more help in the fellowship. I Love Boromir for his hability (Knight Spear is for win the skirmishes) and run. Think in the Sam and suresslly eater of burdens > proper poet


Maybe -4 Trails +4 What are they and add an extra Gondorian merchant to give roaming in maneuver?

1x The One Ring, Answer To All Riddles
1x Boromir, Bearer of Council
1x Ranger of Ithilien
1x Faramir, Captain of Gondor

4x Might of Numeror
4x Sapling of the White Tree
1x Boromir, My Borther
4x What are they?
3x Sword of Gondor
1x Knight's Spear
4x War and Valor
2x Gondorian Merchant
3x Ancient Roads
2x Gondorian Ranger
1x Pippin, Wearer of Black and Silver
1x Legolas, Greenleaf
1x Aragorn, Ranger of the North
1x Sam, Son of Hamfast
1x Tharain, Dwarven Smith



Ty to all people, ty :_)

[itjunkie]

it's not essential to put down "strong" minions... between under the watching eye, orc bowmen, desert lord and orc scouting band, you will be dealing tons of wounds. It's not about winning skirmishes

[zadetek]

i will point out just1 major fact in this fellowship and thats the sappling of the white tree. People always forget the 1st sentence(to play spot an unbound man). I see only Aragorn ROTN, others are ringbound.So the posibility to play saplings is very small. You cannot have Aragorn always in opening hand:)

[Fowler]

@Itjunkie: but Orc Archer Troop is for the double move of the fellow rival, and my deck can run too.. i know that with rangers the best option is play Nazgul or Southorn, but havent these cards... i must adapt the sauron orcs maybe? dont know... actually changes the fellow for play Smeagol Ring Bearer, i think that is better than play my Rangers.

@Zadetek: Boromir is unbound...

[ket_the_jet]

As the ring bearer, Boromir gains the word "ring-bound."
-wtk

[itjunkie]

wow, didn't notice that about the FP...

anyways, putting in 1 or 2 orc archer troop won't hurt i guess... its still within the theme of the shadow anyways.

[Fowler]

Is a complete disaster my deck... Is possible that gondor+sauron wounding can will win games? Or is better change the fellow? actually im playing this deck;

*Smeagol, Bearer of Great Secrets (RB)(9R+30) 

The One Ring, Such a Weight To Carry (7R2)

Fellowship (35) 
1x *Thrarin, Dwarven Smith (1U27) 
2x *Scroll of Isildur (9R36) 
1x *Seeing Stone of Minas Arnor (9R37) 
1x *Seeing Stone of Orthanc (9R38) 
1x *Anborn, Skilled Huntsman (6C48) 
1x *Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien (4U114) 
1x *Faramir, Ithilien Ranger (6P121)  (start)
1x *Mablung, Soldier of Gondor (4U127) 
1x *Sam, Son Of Hamfast (1C311)  (start)
4x Ranger of Ithilien (4C130) 
3x Don't Look at Them (6R39) 
2x Hobbit Appetite (1C294) 
4x Might Of Numenor (3C43) 
2x Power According to His Stature (1R308) 
4x Coat of Mail (1C101) 
4x Knight's Spear (7C108) 
1x Boromir My Brother
1x Last Throw


shadow (35)

4x Orc Assassin
4x Orc Scouting Band
2x Orc Cutthroat
2x Orc Patrol
3x Grishnakh, Orc Captain
2x Desert Lord
2x Ulairë Enqueä, Liutenant of Morgul
2x Grond, Hammer of the Underworld
4x Hate
4x Under the Watching Eye
4x Orc Bowmen
2x Dead Marshes

[ramolnar]

Fowler, how does your Fellowship actually kill anything? Besides Smeagol? You could play cards that do things instead of Coat of Mail and Might of Numenor. I know people like Might here, but I would play Sapling of the White Tree, power up Scroll of Isildur, and have protection in the skirmish phase. Or Athelas, which is never a bad card.

[jdizzy001]

Honestly, my favorite run of Movie Block Ring-Bound Rangers right now is one that jdizzy runs. He packs Ranger Bow, Banner of Westernesse, and Citadel of Minas Tirith and kills all of the minions with that, New Errand, and Arrows Thick in the Air. Great deck.

That's my deck!!! I made it first! It's mine! Mine, mine, MINE! Just mine!

That's who gave me the idea!  I had forgotten who gave me the idea to run gondy rangers with the bows and citadels.  Thanks for the complement ket.  And, gotta give credit where credit is due, thanks for the deck idea hrcho.  It is a very fun deck to play, you're a genius for thinking of it!

[hrcho]

That's who gave me the idea!  I had forgotten who gave me the idea to run gondy rangers with the bows and citadels.  Thanks for the complement ket.  And, gotta give credit where credit is due, thanks for the deck idea hrcho.  It is a very fun deck to play, you're a genius for thinking of it!

Really?  

I mean, yes... of course I am. I know that.  

Fowler, how does your Fellowship actually kill anything? Besides Smeagol? You could play cards that do things instead of Coat of Mail and Might of Numenor. I know people like Might here, but I would play Sapling of the White Tree, power up Scroll of Isildur, and have protection in the skirmish phase. Or Athelas, which is never a bad card.

As Zadetek said, Sapling of the White Tree requires spotting of an unbound Man and Smeagol, BoGS makes that a tough thing to do. Coat of Mail and Might of Numenor are probably among the most used cards and for a good reason.

@ramolnar: I think you should decide if you want Power Rangers or Shooter rangers. Former being Faramir, CoG, Ranger of Ithilien and an occasional Gondorian Ranger equipped with Sword of Gondor, Faramir's Cloak and skirmish events that make them nasty. The latter is a wounding type of deck which runs mainly around Ranger Bow and Mablung. Both versions need good site-uppers (cards that raise minions site number). For Power Rangers you'd be best off with Ancient Roads and a copy or two of Gondorian Ranger. Shooters are best with Gondorian Ranger and run best if you have Boromir or Isildur as RB. Also, Shooters require massive amounts of healing.

I'm guessing you just want to make a running deck and a version of Power Rangers would be your best bet. Just make sure you have plenty of after-fellowship-phase healing (Might of Numenor being the best card for it), lot of burden removal for Smeagol and Coat of Mail for your rangers to survive big nasties.

[Fowler]

the question is, can work rangers/smeagol runner/gondor with Sauron Wounding?

Play a Ranger Bow Deck has the risk that if fail with Might of Numeror... More good cards to heal? (or can heal more that one wound)

The Fellow with coat of mail is plenty of commons and seems weak but works fine;

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/index.php/topic,4163.0.html

[hrcho]

Might of Numenor, Banner of Westernesse, Citadel of Minas Tirith and Light Shining Faintly are the main healing engines, but if you wanna run, Might of Numenor and Banner of Westernesse are the only ones that can help you to survive the run.

I pack my Ranger Wounding deck with Site Control Dunland, because they are the ones who cause the most trouble to my Rangers so I make sure I control sites faster than my opponent.

I still think you'd be better of with Power Rangers. They are much easier to keep alive and rely on fewer cards. Ranger Wounding can be powerful and it's very fun, but it needs to be packed with a fast shadow and Sauron Wound is not that fast.

[bolgerfattie]

you are a famous Magic player, not a LOTR player. Spend money for a ELVES/ NAZGUL  deck.

Dont think in a shadow deck that dies to Legolas dauthless hunter + hobbits .

...or play ichorid again.   

[Fowler]

you are a famous Magic player, not a LOTR player. Spend money for a ELVES/ NAZGUL  deck.

Dont think in a shadow deck that dies to Legolas dauthless hunter + hobbits .

...or play ichorid again.   

I like orcs, and play LotR for fun. This isnt mtg ¬¬

[ket_the_jet]

know people like Might here, but I would play Sapling of the White Tree, power up Scroll of Isildur, and have protection in the skirmish phase.

Again, you need to spot an unbound Man to play Sapling of the White Tree. It is kind of a wasted slot unless you run Madril, Faramir's Aide or an Aragorn who will be a main companion. Is King in Exile worth it for the single heal of Faramir, Captain of Gondor each turn? Probably not.
-wtk

[itjunkie]

seriously? ur shadow still isn't winning games for you? utwe +orc bowmen + hate should be enough unless you're up against major healing... hrm... i'd recommend these changes:

-1 ulaire enquea or desert lord (i'd say enquea)
-1 orc assassin
+1 tower assassin (in case there are allies that heal)
+1 orc ambusher (cheaper)


anyways, my sauron wounding looks like this...

4x utwe
4x orc bowmen
4x hate
4x orc scouting band
2x orc cutthroat
3x orc patrol
3x grishnakh
1x Desert Lord
1x Ulaire Enquea
1x Dead Marshes
4x Orc Soldier
2x Orc Ambusher
1x Tower Assassin
1x Mordor Strength (surprise!)

anyways, i pair this shadow with a dwarven fellowship. i don't usually hold cards in my hand, basically just put down minions that can fit within the given twilight.

i noticed the cards that usually gets stuck in my hand is enquea since my opponent expects it and usually maintain 5 companions or below 6 burdens. also, i used to use 1x Grond, hotu but i swap it out for a third Orc Patrol... no big issue, i think you can use either.

Things to note however:
1. Sam, Son of Hamfast is banned in our games, so I don't have the use for orc Assassin and that's why he's not in my deck. Anyways, decks that use Sam, SoH usually have him for fodder anyways. no point putting in 4 assassins to counter 1 companion that the FP will willingly have killed anyway. those that run more than sam,soh should be able to have cards to take care of assassin.
2. Enquea gets stuck in my hand most of the time. So I would suggest cutting down to 1 enquea.
3. Use the sites: Use the site that gives +2 to minion archery total for each companion over 4 - it'll make things bloddy pretty quick (not sure if there is an rotk site available for this in movie block though). Use the site 3 that adds threats so when someone dies, you get a few additional wounds.
4. Due to luck, I guess...I haven't been able to play against condition discarding freeps. the worst i've been up against was Gandalf's discard all, Blood runs chill and Fortress never fallen. So I keep 1 marshes.

tweak your FP a bit... and cut down on the orc assassins. your shadow seems good to go.

[Fowler]

ty itjunkie, gold for u

I like Desert Lord to made 2 extertions and keep a hate for next turn and kill the best companion. With Morgullduin is reasonable cut a Enquea, agree.

I think that 2x Dead marshes is auto-include

In my meta people play Sam, SoH and Galadriel LR...

[ket_the_jet]

Here is the answer to all riddles, as far as I am concerned.
-wtk

[itjunkie]

lol i tried your shadow, ket. paired it with the dwarves... maybe it's not meant to be paired with dwarves, but your build didn't quite work for me.
i'll give it a few more tries though once my 2nd copy of they stole it arrives i think the gollum side focuses more on they stole it in this deck as opposed to the threats, so i'll give it more tries as soon as my gollum cards are complete. i play a lot of multiplayer games though...bowmen do more damage in multiplayer as opposed to threats.

@fowler

[itjunkie]

@fowler: yup, you'll need 2 marshes if you're up against LR... lady redeemed can totally destroy your shadow. good thing, she's banned in our meta