TLHH Virtual Set #1: Preliminary Discussion

[Jerba]

I still don't feel like we've gotten a straight answer on this issue, if I missed it, sorry! \

When a virtual card is released the original version of the card will be playable, correct?

Example: When you release Witch-King, Deathless Lord (V) I could still play the original version in my deck if I wanted to, right?

[Thranduil]

I still don't feel like we've gotten a straight answer on this issue, if I missed it, sorry! \

When a virtual card is released the original version of the card will be playable, correct?

Example: When you release Witch-King, Deathless Lord (V) I could still play the original version in my deck if I wanted to, right?

Yes of course. The purpose of the (V) in the virtual card's title is to distinguish it in title (which is the distinguishing feature of any card, as far as the game is concerned—well, apart from Orc Pursuer and Orc Pursuer*...).

Thran

[Jerba]

Yes.

Thank you, sirs! I'm liking what is going on in here. To add a bit of input, I also think that their should be a generic minion in the set. Moria could use a non-Balrog/Watcher minion since it hasn't seen one since Realms!

[Ringbearer]

I would not take either Gollum or Grima, but go for other, unused minions. Maybe the Uruk Savage from FOTR, or Anicent Chieftain.

[Tbiesty]

One card from each culture (3 characters and 4 non-characters per side).

Thranduil, Ringbearer, Witchkingx5, hrcho...     How about this?  


Ring:                              V1**1   The One Ring, The Ruling Ring

"Flagship" Companion:    V1**2   Gandalf, The Grey Wizard
Other Companion:           V1**3   Gimli, Dwarf of Erebor
Ally:                                V1**4   Sigewulf, Brave Volunteer
Other:                             V1**5   Days Growing Dark
                                       V1**6   Fearing the Worst
                                       V1**7     Lightfootedness
                                       V1**8     Strength of Kings

"Flagship" Minion:           V1**9   The Witch-King, Deathless Lord
Other Minions:                V1**10   Gollum, Nasty Treacherous Creature
                                      V1**11   Goblin Archer
Other:                            V1**12   Alive and Unspoiled
                                      V1**13   Men of Harad
                                      V1**14   The Weight of a Legacy
                                      V1**15   Leaping Blaze
                                      

[uncle_elrond]

I like where the list is going.  Someone mentioned something earlier about a rare villager for Rohan that could use some updating and that would be Aldor, Solider of Edoras.  That would be another interesting card to redo.  Although Sigewulf really needs it too.

[jdizzy001]

i wouldn't be too worried about who is in this first set.  Technically, if all that is happening is the creation of a V text, we could make a V version of every card. I'm not saying that is going to happen, I'm just saying sets 2 -X could have Aragorn, Heir to the White City (v) for example. (which by the way, there should be one!)

[Thranduil]

A point I noticed as I went through the list in detail:

• Though I think in principle (and in future sets) there's nothing to stop us changing events into conditions and vice versa because they have the same template and we can change the type-line with a (V) slip as much as game text, for the first set I think we should keep the types the same.

• Hence I notice that there are 3 Shadow conditions and only 1 event.

• My solution would be to leave Men of Harad for now and put in a event instead. Well, actually I think I would push more for a minion instead of Gollum and then a event.

Thranduil

[hrcho]

Ok... I like Thran's idea and this is what I came up with:

 The One Ring, The Ruling Ring
 Gandalf, The Grey Wizard - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Gimli, DoE - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Sigewulf, Brave Volunteer - encourage Valiant companions and Rohan discard
 Days Growing Dark - encourage Discarding Smeagol
  Fearing the Worst - encourage fighting Hobbits maybe
  Lightfootedness - I don't have an idea for this yet, except to turn it into a wound prevention event
  Strength of Kings - encourage RotK unbound Rangers
 

  Desert Lancers - encourage Raider Site Control
  Goblin Archer - encourage Moria Archery
  The Weight of a Legacy - I posted my idea about this in Chamber of Mazarbul, will return to it later
  Alive and Unspoiled - encourage Isengard Corrupt/Discard or Isengard Search cards and Trackers
  Master Broke His Promise - I don't have an idea for this yet
  Leaping Blaze - encourage Dunland Discard
  The Witch-King, Deathless Lord - I don't have an idea for this yet

Let me know what you think and any ideas about the cards we are going to make are appreciated (especially for the ones I have no idea yet). But don't go too specific, just a general idea of the card.

[Thranduil]

I'd be wary of adding yet another Mumak Commander to the card pool! There's already enough confusion between Mumak Commander and GatS.

[Tbiesty]

I think keeping Men of Harad in the list is important.  To keep the number of each card type the same, perhaps swap out the minion for an minion to help Isengard Men?


 The One Ring, The Ruling Ring
 Gandalf, The Grey Wizard - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Gimli, DoE - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Sigewulf, Brave Volunteer - encourage Valiant companions and Rohan discard
 Days Growing Dark - encourage Discarding Smeagol
  Fearing the Worst - encourage fighting Hobbits maybe
  Lightfootedness - I don't have an idea for this yet, except to turn it into a wound prevention event
  Strength of Kings - encourage RotK unbound Rangers
 
  The Witch-King, Deathless Lord - I don't have an idea for this yet
  Goblin Archer - encourage Moria Archery
   - Rohirrum Traitor - Help out Isengard Men, etc.
  The Weight of a Legacy - I posted my idea about this in Chamber of Mazarbul, will return to it later
  Men of Harad - encourage Raider Site Control
  Master Broke His Promise - I don't have an idea for this yet
  Leaping Blaze - encourage Dunland Discard

[Thranduil]

Very well... (removed my last post).

I'm good with the list if you guys are.

Ah, but I didn't necessarily mean that we should run with Desert Lancers either... I think we should make sure we keep an open mind and look for cards that fit best. This goes for all of the cards, of course. The list is not set in stone, so we shouldn't get too attached to the specific cards.

Thran

[Tbiesty]

I think keeping Men of Harad in the list is important.  To keep the number of each card type the same, perhaps swap out the minion for an minion to help Isengard Men?

Like this:

 The One Ring, The Ruling Ring
 Gandalf, The Grey Wizard - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Gimli, DoE - I don't have an idea for him yet
 Sigewulf, Brave Volunteer - encourage Valiant companions and Rohan discard
 Days Growing Dark - encourage Discarding Smeagol
  Fearing the Worst - encourage fighting Hobbits maybe
  Lightfootedness - I don't have an idea for this yet, except to turn it into a wound prevention event
  Strength of Kings - encourage RotK unbound Rangers
 
  The Witch-King, Deathless Lord - I don't have an idea for this yet
  Goblin Archer - encourage Moria Archery
  Rohirrim Traitor - Help out Isengard Men, etc.
  The Weight of a Legacy - I posted my idea about this in Chamber of Mazarbul, will return to it later
  Men of Harad - encourage Raider Site Control
  Master Broke His Promise - I don't have an idea for this yet
  Leaping Blaze - encourage Dunland Discard

[Thranduil]

The reason I wanted to perhaps leave Men of Harad for now (it would definitely be in a future set!) was because I wanted to make it an event to match Men of Rhun, which I've also said that I didn't think we should be doing in the first set. Also, I felt that Weight of a Legacy is already fulfilling our completely junk rare quota and maybe we should reserve another one like Men of Harad for another time.

Obviously feel free to disagree with me! I do also like the idea of doing an Man, but doing an card to help Men would also fulfill that quota.

Thran

[Tbiesty]

I'm really fine either way.  I just thought many players will wonder why we excluded it, saying "You need to include the two most junk rares ever!"

Guys, please recommend a final list, so we get this nailed down.