Namarie vs sleep caradhras

[jdizzy001]

So I hear namarie is really bad. I've never faced it since I usually play movie block, but what makes namarie so horrid when compared to say sleep caradhras or deep in thought? I'm not looking for a debate, just an explanation. thanks

[Elessar's Socks]

To me it's like being able to discard whatever conditions you want every site (sticks around as a condition, easily loaded up, non-unique), potentially before the Shadow player can use them (e.g. Shadow and regroup actions). Just too many advantages rolled into one, and not really fair to the Shadow player.

[macheteman]

i agree with ES, and just add: token abuse.

[FM]

Namarie is too easy to abuse since it does not clog your hand, and it's too reusable. Also, it can pick off the conditions you really need off the table, whereas Sleep Caradhras costs an exertion, more twilight and nukes your own conditions, and Deep in Thought also costs more and is more difficult to pull off, since it needs a but of work. Not to mention, there MIGHT be some instances where yu want SOME shadow conditions off the table, but not ALL of them, since they might be crippling them more than helping. Last, but not least, Namarie has no spotting requirement at all, meaning you can play it in any deck that has hunters in it. DOn't get me wrong, I think the card is awesome, and I like splashable cards to make people think outside the box a little, but perhaps it should have a built-in clause that prevented you from adding tokens to it, and/or it could be a unique card.

[Haszor]

Namarie has no spotting requirement at all, meaning you can play it in any deck that has hunters in it.

I agree with you that it's really powerful but you do have to spot an elf hunter in order to use it.

[macheteman]

which in standard is about as hard as dying in an avalanche. not very.

[Haszor]

I didn't say it was but IF you can kill any elves they have your good :hey:

[MuadDib85]

I played standard before I ever played movie. When I started playing movie I couldn't believe how people complained about standard so much. Discard all conditions pfft.

However, there is a lot more success in movie with condition based shadows then there is in standard. Wierd? Yes.

Namarie basically forces you to build shadows that do not use any conditions at all, if you want to be competitive on a regular basis.

So in conclusion, I have no idea what I'm talking about, all of these mass condition removing cards stink and cripple too many shadows. And let me bag Saruman's Power and Ulaire Nelya Third of The Nine Riders with Buckland Homestead as well.

Let's just remove condition removal from the game. -.-

[legolas3333]

@MD: See Scouring Of The Shire, Deceit.

But I agree, I hate all these discard all conditions cards, my favorite condition discarding card? A Fool's hope, love the idea, and also Brooding On Tomorrow just cause you actually have to try in order to discard conditions.

Lothlorien Guides is also a perfect example of what a condition discarding card should do.

[Ringbearer]

The Biggest atvantage from namarie is that is creates no handclog. You play it, and thats it for now. When you need it, you can use it (or reinforce in the meantime). GST or Sleep, Cahadras needs to be in the hand, they cost more, they also nuke your own stuff and either cost a lor or take exertions.

[leokula]

Of all the post Hunters cards that are considered overpowered, Namarie is one I think is just fine.

It requires you to have an elven hunter in play to discard a condition, I think that's enough of a restraint. Plus, it's not abusable on its own, you gotta reinforce tokens with some other cards or play several hunters. I don't see anything wrong with it.

[legolas3333]

You know, until you compare it to Traveler's Homestead, which costs two tokens and a gandalf character to play. And is rare to boot. (Namarie is Uncommon)

[leokula]

Just because it's better than Traveler's Homestead doesn't mean it's broken. Just because it's an uncommon that is better than a rare, doesn't mean it's broken either, the game is filled with bad rares and killer uncommons.

Seclusion (uncommon) is better than Secret Sentinels (rare)... does it make it broken?

[Not a Zombie]

The real reason this card is broken IMHO is cause its infinite on-demand condition removal with Gilgalad, HKOTN. All you need is 2 namarie and a couple hunters.

[FM]

Why was leokula thumbed down for saying he does not think Namarie is too powerful (I thumbed it up again)?!? People, you REALLY need to grasp the whole "thumbs" concept. His post was not offensive, not unhelpful in any way, it was just his opinion and he wasn't being a jerk about it or anything, simply, calmly stating he does not agree with people all over the boards claiming the card is broken, he simply thinks it's powerful (and btw, if anything, that's a HELPFUL post, it might shed some light into people that, perhaps, the card is powerful but not broken). Geez.