Giant Deck (Help)

[Holloweye]

// NAME: Giant Deck

// Lands
    15 [LRW] Mountain (1)
    7 [LRW] Forest (1)
    3 [SHM] Wooded Bastion

// Creatures
    4 [LRW] Stinkdrinker Daredevil
    2 [MOR] Borderland Behemoth
    3 [LRW] Sunrise Sovereign
    2 [LRW] Thundercloud Shaman
    4 [LRW] Woodland Changeling
    3 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus

// Spells
    4 [LRW] Crush Underfoot
    4 [MOR] Recross the Paths
    4 [SHM] Barkshell Blessing
    2 [LRW] Runed Stalactite
    3 [SHM] Gleeful Sabotage
    4 [EVE] Double Cleave

I need help with what card i need to add or remove. And dont try to fool me    .

[SomeRandomDude]

first of all, Giant's aren't really that playable. But this is done better than most. Drop the Woodland Changeling for Changeling Titan, its much better, and championing is awesome cuz when someone slams you with Austere Command or Hallowed Burial, you've still got guys out to beat with.

Drop Runed Stalactite if you're running Giants. I mean, all your crits are Giants anyways, except the Stinkdrinker.

As for Recross the Paths, most people prefer Farhaven Elf, because then YOU pick the land, and you have a creature anyways.

Gleeful Sabotage isn't really that good. I'd sideboard it, better to pack more removal.

Not sure I like Barkshell Blessing. It seems rather...small.

As for cards you can now add with all those dropped. You may want to run Feudkiller's Verdict if you can stretch your mana base to include White. Because with mana acceleration and Stinkdrinkers, you should be able to drop it. And its awesome when you do.

But at least pack Roughshod Mentor. Yeah, completely awesome.

Then of course, there's Hamletback Goliath. Which screams as loud as he can "UNMAKE! UNMAKE!" Anyways...

Welcome aboard! Hope you'll stick around. This is primarily a LotR TCG website, but we've got a few MtG players as well, though most play both games.

[FM]

I'd advocate for having Firespout, it's great in a deck full of huge beaters, since you can clear the small annoying ones. I'd also follow NBarden's suggestion and try to play Veredict, so you can get a nice life cushion, but myself, I'd rather play Primal Command (perhaps both? hum...). Welcome aboard, hope you stick around.
PS: I'm guessing this is a Block deck, but you should always try to make that clear, it helps us to try and help you.

[SomeRandomDude]

Ya, its block. I played him yesterday on MWS and gave him a link here.

Firespout. D'oh. Lemme go bang my head.

Of course Firespout. Most awesome card for R/G decks.

[FM]

Problem is, it kills Stinkdrinker Daredevil. But then again, you won't even NEED the Daredevils if you can keep the board empty. I'd probably go and eschew them entirely for Kitchen Finks, they generate more tempo, are more resilient to removal and can trade against some pretty neat stuff. I'd add the fourth Colossus and cut a Sovereign, lowers the cost and let's face it, Colossus is goooooooood. Also, Brion Stoutarm is amazing, specially if you decide to play Giantbaiting (another neat card)! Perhaps making the stretch to white could pay off.
I know, for acceleration, you could try Fertile Ground + Garruk Wildspeaker combo, it's block!
And I think you pack way too many lands, btw, I'd play 24 TOPS.

[Holloweye]

Thanks for help I have changed the deck alittle it looks like this now.

//Lands
   15 [LRW] Mountain (1)
   10 [LRW] Forest (1)

//Creatures
   4 [LRW] Stinkdrinker Daredevil
   2 [MOR] Borderland Behemoth
   3 [LRW] Sunrise Sovereign
   2 [LRW] Thundercloud Shaman
   4 [LRW] Woodland Changeling
   3 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
   4 [SHM] Farhaven Elf

//Spells
   4 [LRW] Crush Underfoot
   4 [SHM] Barkshell Blessing
   3 [SHM] Gleeful Sabotage
   4 [EVE] Double Cleave
   2 [LRW] Primal Command
   3 [SHM] Firespout
   3 [LRW] Fertile Ground

btw: I dont like to have 3 colors. I have another giant deck thats red/white and I got little bored playing it so i tried to make this Red/Green. I like the Wooden Changeling because its not very expensive it makes my deck a good mana curve. Roughshod Mentor is not very good when i have Sunrice Sovereign i makes +2/+2 and trample to all exept my stinkdrinker.

Got more tips/help or what i can change on the deck? I really want to beat up my friends at magic  .

[FM]

As I said, I'd run Garruk Wildspeaker, possibly a 4th copy of Firespout and Chameleon Colossus and some Kitchen Finks. I'd give away Woodland Changelings for them (they are too conditional to be good, on their own they don't do much, and they'll end up dying to your own Firespouts more often than living to become 4/4 tramplers). You can probably cut double-cleave as well, it's not that great on large creatures, takes too much time setting up. By cutting them, you open up 4 slots, which could mean 2 Garruks, 1 Firespout and 1 Fertile Ground. I'd then add in the fourth Colossus over a sovereign, after all, you can search Sovereign with Command anyway (or play the fourth Colossus on the sideboard).
I'd also play the R/G fixer land (forgot the name) from the Shadowmoor block (the final two sets of Lorwyn block), and POSSIBLY consider Mutavaults, because: a) they're giants; b) they rock.

[Holloweye]

I changed what you siad hope thats good but now my workstation dont work so i cant test it... I get this error "This card is not found in databese: then it come a list on every card in my deck" I dont really know how to fix it. It worked before...

[Holloweye]

I fixed it I just needed to update it

[FM]

That happens sometimes. That happens is that MWS opens you own deck as a database, so the other cards are not there. Just go to Open Database (or something like this) anc choose the Master database archive. It'll happen again anyway, but now you know how to fix it.

[Holloweye]

I need some1 I can test my deck on... only Lorwyn - Eventide. Anyone?

[FM]

I'd advise adding people on MSN, it's easier to find someone online through there.

[SomeRandomDude]

Wanna take on Quillspike?

[Holloweye]

Ok I found out that the deck is much better with Garuk but I also found out that Kitchen Finks was not the best what should I replace it with? Here is the complete list again..
//Lands
   15 [LRW] Mountain (1)
   10 [LRW] Forest (1)

//Creatures
   4 [LRW] Stinkdrinker Daredevil
   2 [MOR] Borderland Behemoth
   3 [LRW] Sunrise Sovereign
   2 [LRW] Thundercloud Shaman
   4 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
   4 [SHM] Farhaven Elf
   4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks

//Spells
   4 [LRW] Crush Underfoot
   3 [SHM] Gleeful Sabotage
   2 [LRW] Primal Command
   4 [SHM] Firespout
   4 [LRW] Fertile Ground
   2 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SHM] Gleeful Sabotage

[SomeRandomDude]

Finks really is that awesome, its persist means a 3 mana 4 life gain that can beat your opponents up. I'd run it even if it doesn't seem that good, it really is worth it in a pinch.

Drop in 4 each of Fire-Lit Thicket and Reflecting Pool at the cost of 4 of each Mountain and Forest.

As for the sideboard, legally, a sideboard must have 15 cards or 0. One of the two. That being said, I would sideboard your Gleeful Sabotages, 4 copies of Guttural Response (worth its weight in gold vs U control), a couple Raking Canopy, Hamletback Goliath, if you find a deck short on removal, he's always fun to drop. BTW, you're at 67 cards, really not good, keep all decks at exactly 60 unless you're doing, like, Battle of Wits or Self-Traumatizing Worm Harvest, but those aren't block. So Sideboard all your Gleeful Sabotage, and your Primal Commands.

So I'd build my sideboard like this.

4 Gleeful Sabotage
4 Guttural Response
2 Raking Canopy
3 Hamletback Goliath
2 Primal Command

[Holloweye]

Iam maybe not the best on this deck building but the Kitchen Fink is a Ouphe wich not help me at all but the Woodland Changeling cost only 2 and its a giant wich help me alot with Behemoth and Sunrice guy iam not an expert but thats kinda good...

[SomeRandomDude]

Doesn't matter that Kitchen Finks isn't a giant. Its a 2 lifegain when it hits play, its 2 lifegain when it persists, and you can chump it twice to someone. That's pretty good. In my opinion, Finks should be in any deck that runs green or white.

[FM]

Yeah, deckbuilding uses a mathematical proportion, so if you play more than 60 cards, you lower your chance of seeing a particular card in a given game, thus lessening how effective your deck is. For sideboard, I'd run Guttural Response and perhaps 1-2 Eyes of the Wisent as well. You could move the Finks to the sideboard, and only board them in against heavy aggro or aggressive burn decks.

[Holloweye]

Ok thanks for the help.