Power and Temptation-- New Set [CARD IMAGES]

[Creator]

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[Creator]

Bayimg has been down for over 32 hours and I'm tired of waiting for it to come back up, so I'm going to migrate all of the card images over to another image hosting site that is more reliable. In the meantime, here are three more cards (minus the images):

Evil Intentions of Men
Condition • Support Area
To play, spot 3 men of 3 different Shadow cultures.
Skirmish: discard this condition to make each minion man in a skirmish strength +3.
R

(An entire deck could be built around this card. Several minion men in the Power And Temptation set will have strength bonuses for spotting other minion men; you could very easily form a herd of men and boost every single one of them to strength +6 in one skirmish with 2 of these cards. The balancing effect is having to spot 3 men of 3 Shadow cultures, which forces you to have either Grima or Ferny in play. Speaking of which...)

• Bill Ferny, Cruel Owner
Minion • Man
Str. 4
Vit. 2
Site. 2
Discard Bill the Pony.
Bill Ferny is strength +1 for each man you can spot.
Shadow: exert Bill Ferny to draw a card.
R

(This is a rather unique case because he can spot not only minions, but also men in the Fellowship to boost his strength. It might be overpowered-- needs rigorous playtesting.)

•Grima, Traitorous Coward
Minion • Man
Str. 4
Vit. 3
Site 4
When you play Grima, the Free Peoples player may exert a companion to return him to your hand.
Grima is strength +2 for each minion man you can spot.
R

(Similar thing to Bill except he only spots minions.)

All three of these cards could combine to form a very nasty deck.

[Haszor]

That Grima seems a bit to weak and a bit to powerful.  In one case a player exerts and you lose the pool and can no longer play a potentially deadly minion.  In the other case a player exerts and then you continue to play him until you can't play him anymore.  I see the first being the most abused but I'd change the cost of returning him to hand to A) exert 2 companions B) discard some cards from hand, mirroring the EoF dunlending men.

[Not a Zombie]

Evil intentions of men should be worded like this:
Skirmish: discard this condition to make each man minion assigned to a skirmish strength +3 until the regroup phase.

[hsiale]

Interesting. Just a small wording issue: to keep consistency I think you should write "Man minion" (or "Man" in case of Ferny") - on LotR cards race is always written in uppercase and race/culture comes before companion/minion/ally etc word

By the way, what X-list do you plan to use in your format (which I guess is sets 1-10 together with your set)? I ask because Bill the Pony is on Movie Block X-list, so, if you stay with this list, to make Ferny's first text usable, you need to have a new Bill the Pony in your set.

[gk1964]

You could change the Grima exertion to a maneuver action and increase the exertion to twice. Another option would be to restrict the exertion to a companion man.

gk

[Yrael]

Wow, some site control + some  site control + some  men would be so strong with this conditon .

[Creator]

Evil intentions of men should be worded like this:
Skirmish: discard this condition to make each man minion assigned to a skirmish strength +3 until the regroup phase.

I see what you mean, I will adjust the text on the card. I just want to avoid people thinking that if a fierce minion man in a skirmish gets the boost, that the strength boost will carry over to the fierce skirmish. That is not what I want. The boost should only apply to one skirmish per minion. Adding the regroup clarifier might create that confusion.

That Grima seems a bit to weak and a bit to powerful.  In one case a player exerts and you lose the pool and can no longer play a potentially deadly minion.  In the other case a player exerts and then you continue to play him until you can't play him anymore.  I see the first being the most abused but I'd change the cost of returning him to hand to A) exert 2 companions B) discard some cards from hand, mirroring the EoF dunlending men.

I might make his strength spotting bonus the same as Bill's to keep him a little more balanced-- "Grima is strength +1 for each man you can spot." It also goes with the flavor of him being able to use any and all men to his advantage.

Interesting. Just a small wording issue: to keep consistency I think you should write "Man minion" (or "Man" in case of Ferny") - on LotR cards race is always written in uppercase and race/culture comes before companion/minion/ally etc word

By the way, what X-list do you plan to use in your format (which I guess is sets 1-10 together with your set)? I ask because Bill the Pony is on Movie Block X-list, so, if you stay with this list, to make Ferny's first text usable, you need to have a new Bill the Pony in your set.

I'll have to see if I can find other examples of that capitalization rule for the term "Men"-- I haven't noticed it before.

As for Bill the Pony, yes, I have already written a new one for this set titled Bill the Pony, Patient Beast of Burden. Haven't posted it yet because I haven't finished blanking the Shire culture cards.

Wow, some site control + some  site control + some  men would be so strong with this conditon .

Yeah, for sure. But you'll see very soon that with the other cards in this set, many of the and minions will also have spotting bonuses. There are at least 2 cards in each culture that have the text "this minion is strength +1 for each minion man you can spot", and they're fairly cheap. The idea is to get a small mob going and get them all pumped up off of each other.

Bayimg is still not working properly, but I've yet to migrate the card images over. It's on the to-do list.

[Creator]

Bayimg is back up. Bill, Grima, and Evil Intentions have all been modified, here are the card images (Also added to the original post:)

•Bill Ferny, Cruel Owner
•Grima, Traitorous Coward
Evil Intentions of Men

Now that bayimg is back up, don't forget to check out the new Gimli, Orc Killer, and They Do Not Die!

[hsiale]

I see what you mean, I will adjust the text on the card. I just want to avoid people thinking that if a fierce minion man in a skirmish gets the boost, that the strength boost will carry over to the fierce skirmish.

With current wording it does carry over. As long as the man is assigned to some skirmish when the card is activated and discarded.

If I understand correctly, you want the bonus to work for all Men minions assigned to a skirmish at the moment of using the condition, but either only for normal skirmishes (if activated during one of those) or during fierce skirmishes (if activated during one of them). If this is the case, I would word the card "... +3 until you can't spot a companion or ally assigned to a skirmish." - this way the bonus will finish either at the start of regroup phase or at the start of fierce assignment phase.

[MR. Lurtzy]

• Bill Ferny, Cruel Owner
Minion • Man
Str. 4
Vit. 2
Site. 2
Discard Bill the Pony.
Bill Ferny is strength +1 for each man you can spot.
Shadow: exert Bill Ferny to draw a card.
R

Should be:

• Bill Ferny, Cruel Owner
Minion • Man
Str. 4
Vit. 2
Site. 2
Discard Bill the Pony.
Bill Ferny is strength +1 for each man you can spot.
Shadow: Exert Bill Ferny to draw a card.
R

As should all the other ones that forget the capitalization. But otherwise, not bad on the designs.

[MarcinS]

Just a small wording issue with the Bill Ferny should be: "When you play Bill Ferny, discard Bill the Pony"

[kauai1964]

I can't get the Cave Troll's link to work...

[Creator]

Massive Update:

Most of the Wraith culture is now complete minus a couple of cards I haven't finished. I also updated all of the other cards based on all of the feedback in this thread. Check through them all and see if you can spot mistakes or quibbles, etc.

I still need to move the cards images over to imageshack, but I haven't yet because I'm a lazy bum.


•Bill Ferny, Cruel Owner
Hidden to All But Him
•Morgul Finisher
•Morgul Invasion Force
Nazgul Cloak
Panic
Poisoned Arrows
Shadow Realm
Terrible to Behold
•The Witch King, Twilight Lord
They Do Not Die
•Ulaire Attea, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Cantea, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Enquea, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Lemenya, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Nelya, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Nertea, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Ostea, Servant of Shadow
•Ulaire Toldea, Servant of Shadow

[hsiale]

Interesting cards. Some comments

They Do Not Die
First action should be response, not skirmish. And the limit is worded unclearly. I guess you want to make it impossible to stack multiple minions here. So it should be worded like Flung Into the Fray. Response: If no minion is stacked here and your twilight minion is about to be killed in a skirmish, stack that minion here.

Hidden to All But Him
Do you want it to work also when the Ring-bearer puts on The One Ring during a fierce skirmish (and losing fierce doesn't hurt at all as fierce assignments are already done)? If not, add "Cancel all fierce skirmishes involving a Nazgul." to the card. But maybe it's not needed, card may be not overpowered as it is. This needs playtesting.

Morgul Invasion Force
Would sound better this way: If the fellowship is at a battleground site, exert this minion to add two threats. Also the phase where you can use this action is missing. I think it should be regroup (and definitely by no means skirmish), so that combo with Morgul Destroyer isn't too good.

Panic
This also needs playtesting, but this may need to be made unique. Or at least get "Limit 1 per character" like Blade Tip.

Poisoned Arrows
This card has completely no cultural enforcement. Maybe "Spot 5 archers and a Orc", or "Spot 5 archers and 2 cards"? Events (that can never be spotted so no multiculture hate can be fueled by them) IMO should always have some cultural enforcement.

Gimli, Orc Killer
As you don't use resistance, I think he should have a signet. Each pre-Shadows Gimli (except the Ring-bearer one) had a signet.

Company of Rangers
It should be "spot 3 companions", not "spot 3 Gondor companions".

Nazgul: interesting theme, would definitely be worth trying in a deck. You may think about moving abilities a bit between them a bit, so that Enquea gets one of the better ones, to make it a hard choice between this, enduring, twilight and shotgun ones. I don't know if combining those Nazgul with Morgul Brute, It Wants to be Found and Gollum, DaD won't be too powerful corruption, especially with The One Ring, Ring of Rings not allowed.

And one more thing about using uppercase: on LotR cards, after a phase name, the following text starts with uppercase. For example "Skirmish: Exert this minion to add ", not "Skirmish: exert this minion to add "