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[Legion]

Several times in this game, Kulkoth was able to see my hand using Sting, despite my having No Business of Ours out.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Legion$87cluvfq2k6q9tpq

[dmaz]

Several times in this game, Kulkoth was able to see my hand using Sting, despite my having No Business of Ours out.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Legion$87cluvfq2k6q9tpq

Whoah...yeah that's not working right. It's been working correctly for me recently, so I'm not sure why...

[Valtor]

Several times in this game, Kulkoth was able to see my hand using Sting, despite my having No Business of Ours out.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Legion$87cluvfq2k6q9tpq

I just ran a test game using No Business of Ours in play with my "Ringer".

See http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=Valtor$vrmx9ay042yx31ko

In Ringer FP phase at sites 4 and 6 Ringer uses 6 different ways to reveal Valtor's hand, three fail but three succeed:

Foul Creation, Uruviel, Maid of Lorien and Galadriel's Glade do not reveal Valtor's hand, presumably prevented by NBOO, but -

Curse Their Foul Feet, Glamdring and Sting all reveal Valtor's hand despite NBOO being in play, requiring discard of cards or removal of twilight as appropriate.

So NBOO is bugged again. I have sent an e-mail to MarcinS.

Edit: From dmaz's post on page 146:

I also tested Might of Numenor, Treachery Deeper than you Know and Meant to Be Alone, none of which (like Foul Creation) revealed the hand (at least for me).
...
Save yourself the exertion and hands off of CtFF, Glamdring and Sting while NBOO is in play!

[Merrick_H]

It looks like Brought Down from Inside is transferring at the end of the skirmish rather than at the beginning of the skirmish:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=DwarfGuard$1gehrsgk0sx4i145

[Merrick_H]

Another "Reveal your hand" bug:

Riders in Black is not giving a strength bonus for the cards revealed.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=DwarfGuard$55sfq0gj1r9dsdyc

[Shelobplayer]

Bilbo, Bearer of Things Burgled can't play Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom with his regroup ability.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=B0r0m1r$vkfvfgipcejvwgah

[Merrick_H]

Bilbo, Bearer of Things Burgled can't play Nine-Fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom with his regroup ability.

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=B0r0m1r$vkfvfgipcejvwgah

It is a Skirmish event and as such cannot be played outside the skirmish phase.  The only types of cards that he can play in the regroup phase are cards that would normally be played in the fellowship phase.

[sgtdraino]

Why should that be the case? Conditions aren't normally played during the regroup phase either, nor are possessions. It seems to me that Bilbo's text should over-ride that.

[Merrick_H]

Comprehensive Rules 4.0 - Event
"You cannot play an event during a phase that does not match its phase action."

[sgtdraino]

Well-spotted... however, doesn't game text normally trump printed rules?

For example, under "condition," it says, "A condition is always played during the fellowhip phase."

[Merrick_H]

I would say that Bilbo's game text overrides the "always played during the fellowship phase" for conditions as it does not prohibit play during other phases as it does create an exception to the rule.

The event wording explicitly prohibits play in a phase that does not match the action and therefore cannot be overridden by Bilbo's text.

[sgtdraino]

Doesn't the phrase "a condition is always played during the fellowship phase" prohibit the playing of conditions at other times? "Always" means... well... always.

[Merrick_H]

Yes, it would, but Bilbo makes an exception to the rule.  The language around events is more explicit than the language around conditions.

The language around conditions is written as an affirmative, leaving open other times that they could be played (if another card allows it).  If the rule said, "Free Peoples conditions cannot be played in any phase except the fellowship phase and Shadew conditions cannot be be played in any phase except the shadow phase," then it would be an exclusive negative statement.

The language around events is written as a negative, excluding all times except the appropriate phase.

[sgtdraino]

I don't see the difference.

"Always stop at stop signs" means the same thing as, "never drive past a stop sign without stopping." It's just phrased differently. Either game text trumps printed rules, or it doesn't.

[Shelobplayer]

I don't see the difference either.