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[neopium]

Hi, there seem to be a bug with Arwen, Echo of Luthien. The -3 strength is applied whether the bottom card is an card or not.

See here for instance: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$2vwd9i0fqfmmahyu

Player 2 at site 2, I face the Witch King with her. I use her ability to discard the card at the bottom of the draw deck: it's Enquea shotgun (i.e. not an card). With Glimpse of fate, the Witch king should be -4 but he is -7... I use the ability again and discard Gollum, Stinker and the Witch King is then -10.

[MarcinS]

The bottom line:

If there are no minions stacked, or you cannot play one, you can use TMC to remove a threat for no effect. However, if you use it and there is a stacked minion that you can play, you have to play it.

Ok, from next restart:
- Actions that have playing a card as an effect (except playing from hand or discard), no longer check if there is
a card player can legally play. Effects that play cards from hand and discard, are still not playable if no legal card
can be played.

[MarcinS]

Hi, there seem to be a bug with Arwen, Echo of Luthien. The -3 strength is applied whether the bottom card is an card or not.

See here for instance: http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=neopium$2vwd9i0fqfmmahyu

Player 2 at site 2, I face the Witch King with her. I use her ability to discard the card at the bottom of the draw deck: it's Enquea shotgun (i.e. not an card). With Glimpse of fate, the Witch king should be -4 but he is -7... I use the ability again and discard Gollum, Stinker and the Witch King is then -10.

Fixed (after restart):
- "Arwen", "Echo of Luthien" now applies its -3 penalty only if the card was actually ELVEN.

[bibfortuna25]

For Black Sails of Umbar, can you make it so the default number of tokens to remove is the number of tokens it is currently holding? As it stands, the default is 0.

Also, in a recent game I used BSOU to play a corsair from my discard at site 3. I removed 3 tokens from it to play a corsair with a printed cost of 1, but the system took into account the corsair's roaming penalty when giving me the bonus from BSOU. Since the roaming penalty is a separate cost from the minion's normal twilight cost, any cost modifiers to a minion should not affect its roaming penalty.

[MarcinS]

For Black Sails of Umbar, can you make it so the default number of tokens to remove is the number of tokens it is currently holding? As it stands, the default is 0.

Also, in a recent game I used BSOU to play a corsair from my discard at site 3. I removed 3 tokens from it to play a corsair with a printed cost of 1, but the system took into account the corsair's roaming penalty when giving me the bonus from BSOU. Since the roaming penalty is a separate cost from the minion's normal twilight cost, any cost modifiers to a minion should not affect its roaming penalty.

Fixed (after restart):
- Roaming penalty does not get reduced by cost decreasing effects ("play X, its twilight cost is -Y"), including Toil.

Also I've added the default value for BSOU.

[Kralik]

MarcinS, I don't think you get enough appreciation for all you do.

[daisukeman]

Hi All,

I think there are "minor bugs" related to displaying constant values in the program.
For instance, southron wanderer will not alert for adding 4 twilight but show this:

 
I think others are: the ring draws them, and gollum 10r.

PD=No argue whatsoever over the grate job MarcinS has done so far..

BR,

[daisukeman]

Another quick thing (because I may be wrong here), but in a recent league game I thought I saw  Under foot not validating if shadow has initiative in order to reconcile hand:
http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=daisukeman$2kj1ikb1hs9tqqrk
(see specially at site 9)

I'd appreciate if someone can confirm this.

[sgtdraino]

Got an game-canceling error caused by Dammed Gate-Stream:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=sgtdraino$620wawa2kh8ymg0b

The site allows you to chose gollum/smeagol cards that can't legally be played. If you do choose such a card (in this case Not Listening), the game is canceled and an error recorded.

[MarcinS]

Got an game-canceling error caused by Dammed Gate-Stream:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=sgtdraino$620wawa2kh8ymg0b

The site allows you to chose gollum/smeagol cards that can't legally be played. If you do choose such a card (in this case Not Listening), the game is canceled and an error recorded.

I'm not sure what the rules say about it. Any ideas? Should you be able to choose a response card? Should you be able to choose a non-Fellowship event?

[MarcinS]

Hi All,

I think there are "minor bugs" related to displaying constant values in the program.
For instance, southron wanderer will not alert for adding 4 twilight but show this:

 
I think others are: the ring draws them, and gollum 10r.

PD=No argue whatsoever over the grate job MarcinS has done so far..

BR,

Fixed the Southron Wanderer, however I can't see any problems with the ring draws them nor gollum 10r.

[bibfortuna25]

Got an game-canceling error caused by Dammed Gate-Stream:

http://www.gempukku.com/gemp-lotr/game.html?replayId=sgtdraino$620wawa2kh8ymg0b

The site allows you to chose gollum/smeagol cards that can't legally be played. If you do choose such a card (in this case Not Listening), the game is canceled and an error recorded.

I'm not sure what the rules say about it. Any ideas? Should you be able to choose a response card? Should you be able to choose a non-Fellowship event?

As you are in the fellowship phase, you can only use it to play "permanents" or fellowship-phase events.

[MarcinS]

As you are in the fellowship phase, you can only use it to play "permanents" or fellowship-phase events.

So, using this logic, I can't play a minion using Stampeding Savage (or many other cards), because its ability is used during Maneuver phase, and you can play shadow side "permanents" (minions) only during Shadow phase. Correct?

[bibfortuna25]

As you are in the fellowship phase, you can only use it to play "permanents" or fellowship-phase events.

So, using this logic, I can't play a minion using Stampeding Savage (or many other cards), because its ability is used during Maneuver phase, and you can play shadow side "permanents" (minions) only during Shadow phase. Correct?

Incorrect. The rules permit permanents to be played in the fellowship/shadow phases. You need a specific card in order to play them during other phases. Using your example, you cannot normally play minions during the maneuver phase, but Stampeding Savage permits you to do so.

Events are different. They can ONLY be played during the timeframe specified on the card.

[MarcinS]

As you are in the fellowship phase, you can only use it to play "permanents" or fellowship-phase events.

So, using this logic, I can't play a minion using Stampeding Savage (or many other cards), because its ability is used during Maneuver phase, and you can play shadow side "permanents" (minions) only during Shadow phase. Correct?

Incorrect. The rules permit permanents to be played in the fellowship/shadow phases. You need a specific card in order to play them during other phases. Using your example, you cannot normally play minions during the maneuver phase, but Stampeding Savage permits you to do so.

Events are different. They can ONLY be played during the timeframe specified on the card.

After restart:
- You can't play events outside of their phase now, when using other cards like "Dammed Gate-Stream" or "Bilbo, Bearer of Things Burgled". Response events can't be played at all using other cards.