Keywords

[Kralik]

* Character isn't autolinking for me, and I searched the code yesterday to make sure. Where are you seeing this?

* I'll replace "Type" with "Card Type." There should be a page on that.

* Shadow could be Shadow phase, player, alignment, etc. Maybe we can find a better way to deal with it instead of always linking to one or the other?

* Twilight is a keyword, is it not? There is a page for Twilight Cost and you'll see that if you click on twilight tokens like , twilight cost in the database like (1), or the twilight field in the database that they all take you there.

[TelTura]

--I meant to go back and remove Character; I think it was linking at some point or something, but I realized it isn't now

--good

--If you think about how often it will be used in conversation, Shadow is almost always going to be referring to the Shadow alignment/player, both of which are linked enough to be lumped together under alignment.  We don't need a page on "opponent" (which is all "Shadow Player" would boil down to) any more than we need a page on "card", it's an instantly recognized part of the game.  "Shadow Phase" is always going to be used in that order, too, so I think it will take care of itself.

--Twilight is indeed a keyword, but I think in this case, what with the sheer number of times that "twilight pool" and "twilight tokens" are going to be referred to (especially in comparison to the relatively obscure Twilight Nazgul), it needs an exception to the default autolinking behavior. 

And I think I got sniped while editing, but I also added "side" and "Free Peoples" to my list, for comparable reasons to the above.

[Kralik]

No one says Free People in regular conversation. It's always "Freeps."

Let me think on this... at the least I want the entries in the card database to be clickable, but I can put those in by hand. Perhaps they could link to... Free Peoples player and Shadow player with a short explanation?

Does Twilight need a separate page for Twilight Cost vs. Twilight Pool or Twilight Tokens?

[TelTura]

Twilight (Cost) will have sections for all three.  Pool contains Tokens generated by Cost, so I don't think even small explanatory articles are necessary (as there will be adequate explanation in the Cost article).

 No one says "Free People", singular, which was my initial gripe; it needs to be plural (and actually, it will eventually link to Alignment#Free Peoples, I think, so maybe we can save ourselves a redirect).  When I said conversation, I think I misstepped, "article language" is more what I was aiming at.   

I'll have to mull over how best to represent the Free Peoples player and the Shadow player in the wiki...it doesn't seem to me that someone would have an issue with "Free Peoples Player" and type as much into the search bar...I think they would try "side switching", "turn rotation", or something of that ilk entirely unrelated to the wording of a player anyway.

I could be wrong.  It's probably going to be necessary to make those pages at some point anyway (with redirect or blurb), so that search works better.  I dunno.

[Kralik]

I'll fix "Free People" (not sure what I was thinking). The term "Alignment" isn't to be found anywhere in the comprehensive rulebook. Is there a better term we could use? I know it's technically correct, but in my head, the term that comes to mind is still "Side."

I'll see if I can make a context-sensitive link for Twilight. That was if someone writes "Twilight" followed by Naz* it can link to Twilight keyword. Nazgul will still link to its own, and Twilight can otherwise link to Twilight Cost or Twilight Pool. Let's pick whichever one sounds better for a parent article and stick with it.

[TelTura]

I think the issue with using "side" becomes usages like "on the side of the card" or whatever, that will be linking to an entirely unrelated topic. 

You're right about Alignment not being a concept described in the Guide.  Decipher seems to have approached it from the angle of turn-taking rather than side-switching, which I admit is easier to grasp.  This results not in you becoming The Shadow Player but in you Playing Shadow Cards.  Once you get into the game, though, you don't really think that way (at least, I don't).

Perhaps it should be divided into two separate articles, Free Peoples and Shadow, liked you've mentioned.  Hrrm..

[Kralik]

Here's how Twilight is now handled:

Twilight followed by Minion(S)/Naz*/Keyword links to Twilight Keyword
Twilight alone as well as the phrases Twilight Cost/Pool/Token(S) link to Twilight Cost

If something like Twilight Nazgul is written, it will link to each separately, like: Twilight Nazgul. This behavior could be changed, but since the Twilight keyword is mostly Nazgul and some wraiths, I think it would be fine to not need a separate article for Twilight Nazgul.

[TelTura]

Something is screwing up lotr01165, Cave Troll of Moria, Scourge of the Black Pit.  It's some sort of [[]] mismatch;  I think Troll is for some reason being inserted into the title prematurely, but there's no problem with Strange-Looking Men or Lorien Elf, so I don't know where that might be coming into play.  Something might be malforming icon handling, too, except none of the other Moria cards appear to be affected.  Both versions of Scourge of the Black Pit and Menace of the Underdeeps (D) are affected, but not Savage Menace (makes sense since Savage Menace is a card and not ).

[Kralik]

Yikes, those were bad. Essentially it had to do with their long titles and the regexp not doing a long enough look-ahead to make sure it wasn't part of a link/image. After a bit of troubleshooting, I added 10 characters to the look-ahead and all is well again.

[Kralik]

Events with an associated phase (random example: Nocked) will now link to the phase correctly in both the card and index entry.

[Kralik]

Based on the language in the rulebook, here is what I think we should do regarding certain ambiguous phrases:

Fellowship: Link to an page describing the Free Peoples' fellowship. This is how the term is most often used in the rulebook and on cards themselves. A small box at the top of the page can give some info like "Were you looking for Fellowship (Keyword) or Fellowship Phase?"

Shadow and Free Peoples: Link to the page Kinds of Cards.

Twilight: Leave disambiguation page as it is.

[TelTura]

Fellowship - agreed

Shadow/Free Peoples - sure, that's the same as my Alignment page but with a different name.  Works for me.

[Kralik]

I'm just going with "Kind" because that is how the rulebook describes them.

"Side" is used mostly when discussing the outcome of various phases, skirmishes, archery totals, etc.

[TelTura]

It's good logic; I think there should probably be a "did you mean card type?" line; kind of makes you wish they had used "Alignment" to reduce vagueness.

[Kralik]

I'm thinking of removing the race keywords from autolink, at least temporarily. It's looking a bit ridiculous to have every instance of Elf, Dwarf, Man, Hobbit, Orc, etc. link. In the end, what is going to go in the race pages that wouldn't be better covered in a Culture page? Sure, there are, for example, Men vs. Men, and Orcs vs. Orcs... but... I don't see a generic race page that acknowledges this being all that important.