Author Topic: Exertion to pay the cost (Read 12203 times)

Gil-Estel · « **on:** May 13, 2008, 10:59:16 AM »

I'm a bit confused about this. I know all about requirements and the cost of cards. But why can you play Pallando on an exhausted Wraith?.....

Thranduil · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2008, 01:13:36 PM »

Yes, because it is not a cost, but an effect. You can transfer it to any exhausted character without penalty. This would not be true if it said: 'In order to transfer Pallando to a non-

companion, you must exert that companion twice.'

Thranduil

TheJord · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2008, 03:30:09 PM »

Thranduil has nailed it.

The 2 exertions are effects, not costs.

Like Imrahil, Prince of Dol Amroth, he cant exert 2 minions unless there are 2 minions to exert.

CCCORNIV · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2008, 07:11:08 PM »

Hello everyone, I'm glad I came across this active forum. My friends and I came into the LOTR TCG games a little late and we are currently mainly playing the Two Towers block. Exertions is one point of confusion that seems to constantly come up. For example, an Elite Crossbowmen (4R 150) reads: Archery: Exert Elite Crossbowmen to make the Free People's player wound an unbound companion; this minion does not add to the minion archery total.

My question is since the Elite Crossbowmen has a vitality of 3 can I exert him twice to make the Free Peoples player place two wounds on an unbound companion(S)? I thought I could, but I'm not certain. Thanks in advance ~ Chris

Elessar's Socks · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2008, 07:36:32 PM »

Yes, you can exert Elite Crossbowmen twice, with each exertion counting as a separate action. Special abilities may be performed more than once. Along the same lines Legolas, Greenleaf can be exerted twice for 2 wounds in the same archery phase.

I guess I should add that the game text of events may be performed only once for each copy, even though the earlier texts are preceded by a phase in bold as well. So for example the Balrog can exert only once with Must Do Without Hope for each copy played.

Welcome to the forums!

CCCORNIV · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2008, 08:01:19 PM »

Thanks for the quick reply Socks. I'm so glad I've found this place. It's been killing me that the LOTRTCG.FANHQ forum had been down for so long, as well as the Cobra Cards forum. I plan on making this my home for all thing LOTR TCG. I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road. Thanks Again. ~ Chris

Gil-Estel · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2008, 11:50:09 PM »

you're most welcome!

FM · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2008, 03:12:55 PM »

I guess it SHOULD be added, since you're new to the game, that you CAN exert the Elite Crossbowmen twice, but the Free Peoples player will be able to play HIS Archery Special ABilities once you exert him, you can't do both exertions in a row. So if you exert him, the Free Peoples player could, as said, exert Legolas, Greenleaf to wound him, making you unable to exert him again.

SomeRandomDude · « **Reply #8 on:** May 22, 2008, 05:57:38 AM »

But...the chance of that happening isn't very high. Nobody runs Greenleaf anymore.

MR. Lurtzy · « **Reply #9 on:** May 22, 2008, 03:47:29 PM »

I have a FOTR block deck that does.

CCCORNIV · « **Reply #10 on:** May 22, 2008, 06:10:58 PM »

So the flow of the archery phase goes like this:

Free peoples takes an Archery action/event. (if they choose)
Shadow player takes an Archery action/event. (wounds are assigned at time of action for both FP and Shadow player)
That continues until no more actions are taken.
The free peoples and minion archery totals are tallied.
Free peoples player assigns wounds equal to the minion archery total and selects a shadow player to assign wounds equal to the free peoples archery total.

Please correct me if I left something out or have something out of order.

Thanks ~ Chris

Elessar's Socks · « **Reply #11 on:** May 22, 2008, 08:28:11 PM »

There's also "At the start of the archery phase..." actions (e.g. Legolas, Woodland Emissary, Howdah) that take place before archery actions. If there are several required ones happening at the same time (don't think any were created for the archery phase, but just in case), the Free Peoples player gets to choose in which order they resolve. Then optional actions occur, following the action procedure you described. Next comes the archery actions in your post... which is just a long way of saying your post looks good.

Quote from: NBarden on May 22, 2008, 05:57:38 AM

But...the chance of that happening isn't very high. Nobody runs Greenleaf anymore.

If I ever paired Legolas with Hobbits, Greenleaf might just work there! ...Does anyone run Legolas with Hobbits (non-DH)?

CarpeGuitarrem · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2008, 10:59:04 AM »

Quote from: NBarden on May 22, 2008, 05:57:38 AM

But...the chance of that happening isn't very high. Nobody runs Greenleaf anymore.

Are you kidding me? He's one of the more lethal elfies out there...

bibfortuna25 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2008, 09:49:49 PM »

Greenleaf was THE Legolas to use for the longest time. Now there are a couple other good Legolases to use, but if you've got no other use for a specific one, Greenleaf is the one to go with.

NappyKorn · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2008, 04:02:19 AM »

Quote from: bibfortuna25 on June 13, 2008, 09:49:49 PM

Greenleaf was THE Legolas to use for the longest time. Now there are a couple other good Legolases to use, but if you've got no other use for a specific one, Greenleaf is the one to go with.

Yes our rules man has returned to us! Welcome Bib glad you decided to join.

SomeRandomDude · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2008, 06:27:08 PM »

Yeah, he was THE Legolas, and he's good if you're just tossing him in a deck, but usually, if you're just looking for a Legolas to toss in, you'd be better off with another comp.

I personally like Legolas, Fearless Marksman as a toss in, helps cycle.

Plus, Greenleaf isn't even an option in standard.

Celebrimbor · « **Reply #16 on:** June 15, 2008, 10:20:33 AM »

It doesn't seem to me the rule about Pallando is clarified. Maybe it is, but not explicitly.

For a follower at least, the Aid - cost is mandatory for transferring the card to a companion.
The text, "each time you transfer" is mandatory, but not required for the actual transfer. It is merely something that must be done, but only as the result of something else being performed.

Thranduil · « **Reply #17 on:** June 15, 2008, 10:22:53 AM »

Quote from: Celebrimbor on June 15, 2008, 10:20:33 AM

It doesn't seem to me the rule about Pallando is clarified. Maybe it is, but not explicitly.

Pallando is very clear - it does what it says. You transfer it, then if that companion is not a

companion, you exert them twice (if you can).

Thranduil

DáinIronfoot · « **Reply #18 on:** June 15, 2008, 02:09:57 PM »

That's why Pallando is awesome with

Wraiths.

You can use him as an auto-exhaust, but after that his "drawback" doesn't matter.

Elessar's Socks · « **Reply #19 on:** June 15, 2008, 02:26:10 PM »

Quote from: Celebrimbor on June 15, 2008, 10:20:33 AM

It doesn't seem to me the rule about Pallando is clarified. Maybe it is, but not explicitly.

For a follower at least, the Aid - cost is mandatory for transferring the card to a companion.
The text, "each time you transfer" is mandatory, but not required for the actual transfer. It is merely something that must be done, but only as the result of something else being performed.

Not sure if I get what you're saying here. The "Each time you transfer..." is not part of the aid cost as you pointed out (which is just to add

), but... what needs to be clarified?

Malachi · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2008, 01:31:04 AM »

When I play the card with Toil, does it trigger the text of Legolas' Bow?

Gil-Estel · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2008, 07:01:26 AM »

yes it does

Elessar's Socks · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2008, 02:14:17 PM »

Ah, my favorite Nocked launching pad. And the cool thing is, it works once each phase!