More Virtual Cards (Cruel Caradhras, take II)

[lem0nhead]

No. A Frodo follower is still Frodo and so should be supported by cards that support a fellowship strategy.

Thranduil

Not strictly true. You cant spot saruman when using servant of sauron. You cant use a follower frodo as frodo.

[Thranduil]

I wasn't saying that this is what Decipher always did, I was saying that this was my motivation. Just like companion and ally Galadriel are still Galadriel, a follower version of her is still the same character. And you can spot Saruman with Servant of Sauron, so I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

A follower Frodo is obviously not going to be identical to a companion, because he's not the Ring-bearer.

Thranduil

[lem0nhead]

Bum.... 

Fine. Well i still agree with Dain it makes no sense for the weapons to work with followers lol!

[Thranduil]

I was going to put them on conditions, but I ran out of good and titles! I'll revisit it and see what I can do...

And 2 cards I was going to use I've now decided to put into my last Virtual DC contest round, so that rules them out.

Thranduil

PS It really doesn't do my head in - I do it completely automatically now. Sometimes I find myself signing off emails in the real world as 'Thranduil' as well...

EDIT: Thanks DI for cleaning up that little fun argument! Most of you will notice how this post makes almost no sense in hindsight. This is because several posts were moved to the Archives of Minas Tirith by DI. You are not going crazy!

[DáinIronfoot]

The Character/Follower title debate has been moved to Archives of Minas Tirith.

http://lotrtcgwiki.com/forums/index.php?topic=244.0

[Thranduil]

Well, let's see one of the conditions to show you the sort of thing I was more intending with those weapons:

Wielder of the Flame (V)
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
Maneuver: Exert Gandalf and discard a fellowship follower borne by a companion to discard a condition.
Response: If a fellowship companion is about to take a wound, exert Gandalf and add to prevent that wound.
"The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew."
2 V 28

[DáinIronfoot]

Wielder of the Flame (V)
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
Maneuver: Exert Gandalf and discard a fellowship follower borne by a companion to discard a condition.
Response: If a fellowship companion is about to take a wound, exert Gandalf to prevent that wound.
"The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew.
2 V 28

See, I think this is fine (aside from the backwards quotation mark again ). Still prefer the original version, but I know you've explained all that in the past, so I won't belabor it. I think one or maybe both of those should exert him twice, though, since this condition is so cheap!

[MR. Lurtzy]

Well, let's see one of the conditions to show you the sort of thing I was more intending with those weapons:

Wielder of the Flame (V)
Condition • Support Area
Spell.
Maneuver: Exert Gandalf and discard a fellowship follower borne by a companion to discard a condition.
Response: If a fellowship companion is about to take a wound, exert Gandalf and add to prevent that wound.
"The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew.
2 V 28

Missing the second quotations for the lore.

[lem0nhead]

See, I think this is fine (aside from the backwards quotation mark again ). Still prefer the original version, but I know you've explained all that in the past, so I won't belabor it. I think one or maybe both of those should exert him twice, though, since this condition is so cheap!

Dains all over this, i reiterate what he says.

[Thranduil]

Well let's have these then and see what you make of them...

Stout and Sturdy (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Hobbit twice to cancel a skirmish involving a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert fellowship Hobbit to make a fellowship companion resistance +2.
"'You have a stout heart, little hobbit, but your courage alone will not save you.'"
1 V 315

Gondor Will See It Done (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Man to heal a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert Boromir or Aragorn to make a fellowship companion strength +1.
"'Boromir!… Go after those two young hobbits, and guard them at the least, even if you cannot find Frodo.'"
2 V 34

Thranduil

[lem0nhead]

Well let's have these then and see what you make of them...

Stout and Sturdy (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Hobbit twice (or Frodo once) to cancel a skirmish involving a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert Merry, Pippin or Sam to make a fellowship companion resistance +2.
"'You have a stout heart, little hobbit, but your courage alone will not save you.'"
1 V 315

Too versatile and cheap, second ability needs be +1 and the first part shouldnt be any companion.

Gondor Will See It Done (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Man to heal a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert Boromir or Aragorn to make a fellowship companion strength +1.
"'Boromir!… Go after those two young hobbits, and guard them at the least, even if you cannot find Frodo.'"
2 V 34

Better more balanced, but these conditions as whole seem excessive.

Thranduil

[DáinIronfoot]

Stout and Sturdy (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Hobbit twice to cancel a skirmish involving a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert fellowship Hobbit to make a fellowship companion resistance +2.
"'You have a stout heart, little hobbit, but your courage alone will not save you.'"
1 V 315

If you limit those followers to fellowship followers, I think it's fine.

Gondor Will See It Done (V)
Condition • Support Area
Skirmish: Exert a Man to heal a companion bearing a fellowship follower.
Skirmish: Exert Boromir or Aragorn to make a fellowship companion strength +1.
"'Boromir!… Go after those two young hobbits, and guard them at the least, even if you cannot find Frodo.'"
2 V 34

Again, for consistency, I'd limit it to fellowship followers. Not as necessary here, though.

[Thranduil]

If you limit those followers to fellowship followers, I think it's fine.

Again, for consistency, I'd limit it to fellowship followers. Not as necessary here, though.

My problem here is take the side. There are 2 Men in the fellowship. The card requires you to exert Men for the follower ability, so that already limits you to use no more than 1 fellowship follower. This becomes impossible if the same restriction applies to the , and aspects of the cycle when you'd start to have abilities that you couldn't use. So while I can easily agree with those suggestions on principle for the cycle, I can't feasibly implement them I think.

Thranduil

[DáinIronfoot]

Understood. I'd still do it for the card though, since there are four of them (and they're the Hobbits used in most decks anyway!).

[Thranduil]

Okay I think I've found some reasonable replacements for the Battle Axe and Bow earlier.

Halls of My Home (V)
Condition • Support Area
Tale.
Fellowship: Exert Gimli and add to take into hand a fellowship follower from your discard pile.
Skirmish: Exert Gimli to make a fellowship companion damage +1.
"'I will go and look on the halls of Durin, whatever may wait there…'"
1 V 18

Mallorn-Trees (V)
Condition • Support Area
Maneuver: Spot Legolas and discard a card from hand to transfer a fellowship follower to a companion.
Skirmish: Exert Legolas to exert a minion skirmishing a fellowship companion.
"'Alas for Lothlórien that I love! It would be a poor life in a land where no mallorn grew.'"
1 V 54