Author Topic: The White Council (Read 8410 times)

ANGRY · « **on:** September 23, 2014, 06:59:45 AM »

[Twilight cost 3] {unique} The White Council (Gandalf culture)
Free Peoples condition.
Plays to your support area.
Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, and Radagast are each strength +2 and resistance +1. While you can spot Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, and Radagast are each strength -1 and resistance -2.

I just thought of this off the top of my head.

thetimewarptrio · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2014, 03:23:04 AM »

I mean technically (excuse me while I put my nerd glasses on), Celeborn, Cirdan, Glorfindel, and even Erestor were probably there. Even Gil-Galad was part of the first White Council. And since Saruman was still a good guy, I'd say each of the listed characters are strength +1 and resistance +1, but while you can spot Saruman, they're strength +2 and resistance -2.

ANGRY · « **Reply #2 on:** September 24, 2014, 06:05:52 AM »

I told you it was off the top of my head. So. Add all of those people.

ANGRY · « **Reply #3 on:** September 24, 2014, 11:11:31 AM »

[Twilight cost 3] {unique} The White Council (Gandalf culture)
Free Peoples condition.
Plays to your support area.
Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, Celeborn, Cirdan, Glorfindel, and Radagast are each strength +2 and resistance +1. While you can spot Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond, Gandalf, and Radagast are each strength -1 and resistance -2.

I like this most.

Carl333 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 24, 2014, 03:45:17 PM »

I'm pretty sure Gil-galad was not a member of the white council.

ANGRY · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2014, 04:39:54 PM »

Quote from: Carl333 on September 24, 2014, 03:45:17 PM

I'm pretty sure Gil-galad was not a member of the white council.

That is something I hadn't thought of. Had the Wizards even arrived in Middle-Earth yet?

Air Power · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2014, 07:07:33 PM »

"Little is known about the First White Council, the members of which were mostly the same as the Second, but led by Gil-galad and not including the Istari (wizards). It was formed after Sauron's defeat in Eriador in S.A. 1701. Its main decision was that Eregion was to be abandoned in favour of Imladris."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Council

ANGRY · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2014, 05:32:57 AM »

Okay, then. Gil-Galad, then, too.

Carl333 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2014, 07:19:22 PM »

Well if the Istari were there then wouldent you have to add pallando and alatar too?

dmaz · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2014, 08:38:51 PM »

You could, but in this game they are just moths aren't they?

MR. Lurtzy · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2014, 09:50:04 PM »

Decipher took extreme liberties with Alatar and Pallando. The moths they used for the cards weren't even meant to symbolize the (let alone be the actual) Blue Wizards in the movies. I'm sure if you want, you can create the Blue Wizards as more of your dream cards, ANGRY.

dmaz · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2014, 10:52:47 PM »

Yeah, it would be nice having the actual wizards as cards.

Aside from the movies, I don't think there's anything at all in the core literature that would point to the fact that the two other wizards just turned into moths.

dmaz · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2014, 11:22:47 PM »

THERE HE IS! THERE HE IS!

thetimewarptrio · « **Reply #13 on:** September 26, 2014, 03:16:51 AM »

Technically, the blue wizards were not there, only Gandalf, Radagast, and Saruman are mentioned.

ANGRY · « **Reply #14 on:** September 26, 2014, 05:21:57 AM »

Quote from: thetimewarptrio on September 26, 2014, 03:16:51 AM

Technically, the blue wizards were not there, only Gandalf, Radagast, and Saruman are mentioned.

They were probably somewhere around Middle-Earth. The elves probably wouldn't have let them go home to Valinor, yet.

Ringbearer · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2014, 10:46:25 AM »

Alatar and pallando never went to the West. They got corrupted by the lure of the east and vanished there. In the end of the Five only Gandalf went to Valinor. Sarumans fate is known and radagast went corrputed by the wild.

ANGRY · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2014, 03:21:25 PM »

Blue idiots.

MR. Lurtzy · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2014, 06:46:14 PM »

Alatar and Pallando "failed" only in earlier drafts of the universe. But Tolkien changed that. In the most recent draft (and therefore the most canon draft), Alatar and Pallando were not failures. Tolkien said specifically:

"Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West."

So no, Alatar and Pallando were not a couple of blue idiots as far as Tolkien was concerned, at least not in the most recent history he wrote about them.

dmaz · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2014, 06:50:33 PM »

Some reading material on them:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Alatar
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Pallando

I didn't know much about them either, so it was fun to learn a little bit. Would have been neat to have them as actual Wizard cards in the game.

ANGRY · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2014, 05:23:54 AM »

Quote from: MR. Lurtzy on September 28, 2014, 06:46:14 PM

Alatar and Pallando "failed" only in earlier drafts of the universe. But Tolkien changed that. In the most recent draft (and therefore the most canon draft), Alatar and Pallando were not failures. Tolkien said specifically:

"Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion ... and after his first fall to search out his hiding (in which they failed) and to cause [?dissension and disarray] among the dark East ... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East ... who would both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have ... outnumbered the West."

So no, Alatar and Pallando were not a couple of blue idiots as far as Tolkien was concerned, at least not in the most recent history he wrote about them.

Hey, where is that quote from? I don't recall reading it before, and I have read most of the Middle-Earth lore...

Durin's Heir · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2014, 06:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Ringbearer on September 28, 2014, 10:46:25 AM

In the end of the Five only Gandalf went to Valinor. Sarumans fate is known and radagast went corrputed by the wild.

Though Radagast forsook his mission as Istar to fight Sauron, he was sent by Yavanna with the mission of protecting the plants and animals of the woods. He served well to that other mission; didn't got corrupted at all.