Lotr Tournament Amsterdam planned on 7th of february: The open Middle-Dutch

[Radagast]

Here is a link to the current rulings document: http://decipher.fanhq.com/Resources/PDF/LOTR-CRD_081307.pdf

On page 4 are the X-lists and I think we should do the following:

First round you'll need a deck from the fotr-block: no cards banned (still use the old errata's for Thror's Map etc. I can't find an old rulings document...I'll keep searching)

Second round you'll need a deck from the TT-block: no cards banned

Third round you'll need a deck from fotr- and TT-block: what to do here...a lot of cards were banned during this time, but the expanded banned and restricted list is not the same...I remember Aragorn HttWC, Saruman KOI, Galadriel LOL etc. being way to powerful and being banned, but cards like Legolas DH, Relics of Moria, Sam SoH were allowed (not powerful until more cards to abuse these cards were brought out).
Maybe try to rebuild the old X-list and use that one?...I'll try to find this list and post it if it can be found...

Fourth round you'll need a deck from the Rotk-block (minus set 9!): no cards banned, errate for Galadriel LR (?)

Fith round you'll need a deck from the film-block (minus set 9!): same problem as for the third round...but maybe we should just ban all those cards from the expanded banned and restricted list, that seems fair to me....

About the canceling the skirmish business...that was a ruling to prevent Isildur's skirmishes being canceled with some FotR-card. Before that there are 2 hobbit-stealth events in every block to cancel the skirmish with before site 5. That isn't really too powerful so I think that should be allowed.
I think that 'Elbereth O Githiniel' and that hobbit ally that cancels skirmishes while exerting your hobbit twice is far more powerful because that can be used at site 9 to just win if a Nazgul hits the board...but that was allowed too then...
So...to get the 'old experience', I think that was a part of the game to keep those cards in mind when going in for the kill....I think it should be allowed to cancel skirmishes with every card possible 

Ok, I think that's it for now...

Bas Melis


EDIT:
I've found an old X-list:

Last updated 15th July 2004   
 
 1R40   •Elrond, Lord of Rivendell  (Elven Ally)   
 1R45   •Galadriel, Lady of Light  (Elven Ally)   
 1R80   •Ottar, Man of Laketown  (Gandalf Ally)   
 1U108   No Stranger to the Shadows  (Gondor Condition)   
 1R139   Savagery to Match Their Numbers  (Isengard Event)   
 1R195   Relics of Moria  (Moria Condition)   
 1U234   •Úlairë Nertëa, Messenger of Dol Guldur  (Ringwraith Minion)   
 1C248   Forces of Mordor  (Sauron Event)   
 1R313   •Sting  (Shire Possession)   
 
 2R32   Flaming Brand  (Gondor Possession)   
 
 3R38   •Aragorn, Heir to the White City  (Gondor Companion)   
 3R42   •Horn of Boromir  (Gondor Possession)   (and promo version 0P5) 
 3R67   •The Palantír of Orthanc  (Isengard Artifact)   
 3R68   •Saruman, Keeper of Isengard  (Isengard Minion)   
 3C106   •Bill the Pony  (Shire Possession)   (and promo version 0P2) 
 3C108   Frying Pan  (Shire Possession)   
 
 7U49   •Steadfast Champion  (Gandalf Condition)   
 7C96   Gondorian Captain  (Gondor Companion)   
 
 8C1   Aggression  (Dwarven Condition)   
 
 10C91   Mordor Fiend  (Sauron Minion)   

I think this is a great list to use for the third and fifth round...

[Elrohir]

This gets a bit confusing  (Eventhough I can follow you)

In my countries, people suggested to play "Austria Format".

Well, I have suggested this Dutch format, too, though. But this would be better played as an additional "All-Block Format" tournament

So we can play "Standard" -> There are no discussions  , but it is too simple  (There are not a lot strategies)

"Austria" -> This format has all benefits of Standard & Expanded  , but no "old" sites are allowed  , it is just played in Austria/Germany/Switzerland/Italy/France/Czeck. Rep/Poland (which is a lot, but not enough)

"Dutch" ->  you can play and face all the old cards, and so the new ones! But, Peolpe complained about the number of decks needed! And creating an x- and r-list are only able on a subjectif kind of way  .

Just want you to know: I support all of these formats, but I want to give you the feedback I have received!

faithfully

[TheJord]

I dont like the idea of us creating our own x and r lists, using the official ones should be sufficient. Also, I think a Standard round would be fantastic, and what do you mean limited strategies Elrohir!? Everyone will play Last Alliance decks for FotR block.

The Austria format is interesting, I like that one.

[Smeagollum]

Hi people,

I concidered Austriasystem as well. But thing is that a few people I know don't know post Mount Doom. And I also like the Old Experience. So the old rullings should be fine. I only concider an errata for Galadriel LR, because people found her overpowered and thing is I want to play her in my hobbitdeck:)

About the sitemechanic. I to like the new system. On the other hand I think old decks like Dunland can't profit by it and a Balrog on site 2 can be very painfull in blocksystem.

But hey people the tournament is just in february so we have plenty of time to work things out and I open to suggestions.

By the the way i didn't knew there was a Dutch system.. I only know the Amsterdam system.. For instance we have banned watch and wait for multiplayer. But we're thinking to reconcider this to errata it. And the amsterdam way is mostly my way to see how i can nerve the system:)

About needing 5 decks. That is not exactly true I think, because most people will use the same deck in round 2 and 3 or 1 and 3 and 4 and 5 or 3 and 5 with some few changes. That's what I will do.

So up to now Iagree with Bas his suggestions. But please keep giving suggestions.

Thanks,

Jw

[Radagast]

Thanks JW 

OK...here's the thing with standard...I really like the format, I build some killer online decks and some very fun alternative decks. But I can't buils any of those decks, because I didn't actively play the game live when the final block came out. So I'll end up with some deck primarily build around RotK- and Shadows-block cards with maybe a couple of 'newer' cards.
I think a lot of people contemplating to build a few decks and attend this event have the same problems with their cardpool.
The idea of playing with only the film-block cards is to see some old players again who stopped at the end of LotR's big run (AKA by the release of Shadows-block the player's rate dramatically dropped down due to rotation).
At that point a lot of players were also sick of buying those great cards like Aragorn HttWC and Saruman KoI just to find out later they would be banned.

So...a standard round might be tough for a lot of old-school players to build a decent/fun deck for.
But there can also be some 'hidden 6th round' for all the players bringing a standard deck.
There probably will be some games going on after the tournament anyway...


Bas Melis

[Smeagollum]

So...a standard round might be tough for a lot of old-school players to build a decent/fun deck for.
But there can also be some 'hidden 6th round' for all the players bringing a standard deck.
There probably will be some games going on after the tournament anyway...

Right on,Bas;)

[Elrohir]

In Austria Format, you do not need post mountdoom cards (except sitepath), if you do not want to. But Lady redeemed is then not allowed, caused by using the rules at the former standard list.

[Smeagollum]

That's the reason for using blockdeckformat with old sitepaths.

[Daniro]

Hi guys,

I'm new here. Gil-Estel told me about the tournament. I'm very excited!
Unlike many others, I started after the release of Shadows... but I hope I'll manage to make some good blockdecks. I think I'll bring a Standard deck anyway Just for fun.

Hope to see y'all in February!

[Smeagollum]

Welcome Daniro

From where are you?

[Mc Tono]

Mc Tono is in the House. (the last homely one that is) I`m a friend to Gil Estel and Mad Goblin and current holder of the Mithril Cup (tournament-trophy for small "Friends of the Whitehouse Lotr tournaments" in which Gil Estel and Mad Goblin also participate.
I`m also from Holland (just like Daniro. I traded cards with him a year back)

As for the tournament in Amsterdam. I`ll try to come.
Btw I do not own a copy of the redeemed lady myself but there a reason the the discussion takes on for a few weeks now: in my humble opinion she`s too strong for a tournament, and maybe that's the reason everyone sort of smells an opportunity to beat the rest. I say ban the old blondie. It`s your organisation. If you don`t I`ll make sure I get my hands on her before the 7th. I think banning her will bring more variety.

In the mean while I`d like to play some games on SDA. I`m starting to get lazy playing (winning against) Gil Estel and Mad Goblin.

greetings from Holland

Mc "White dog" Tono

[Elrohir]

I say ban the old blondie.

    

Hey, watch up! Never call her ladyship that again! 

See you soon
sincerely
Elrohir

[Mc Tono]

I`m sorry, I forgot she`s your family...

[SomeRandomDude]

She's banned in most all formats already, I think we should follow precedent.

I happen to own Lady Redeemed and play her in an Elrohir/Elladan starting fellowship and can testify to her monstrosity.

[Elrohir]

Do not forget: in RotK block, she is allowed! There are no possible overpowered combos in that format!

I know, she is strong (like with Elladan and Elrohir). But do not forget: we do not play open nor expanded either. So we can not ban every strong card!